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    Default How is this a save?

    Hoffman came in tonight in the 9th with an 8-3 lead with no outs and the bases loaded.

    Gets out of it and is awarded a save? This save shit is getting ridiculous. Bad enough people get them for getting 1 out, but this can't be a save can it?
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    Hoffman came in tonight in the 9th with an 8-3 lead with no outs and the bases loaded.

    Gets out of it and is awarded a save? This save shit is getting ridiculous. Bad enough people get them for getting 1 out, but this can't be a save can it?
    I believe IF the tying run is in the on deck circle it would then constitute a save.

    But Im not positive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotary View Post
    I believe IF the tying run is in the on deck circle it would then constitute a save.

    But Im not positive.

    thats correct

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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    It is. Ridiculous.

    May as well just give saves to anyone who pitches in the 9th now with shit like this. Doesn't the guy due up 9th that inning count for anything?
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Quote Originally Posted by rotary View Post
    I believe IF the tying run is in the on deck circle it would then constitute a save.

    But Im not positive.
    I believe you are correct.

    In baseball statistics, the term save is used to indicate the successful maintenance of a lead by a relief pitcher, usually the closer, until the end of the game. A save is a statistic credited to a relief pitcher, as set forth in Rule 10.19 of the Rules of Baseball. That rule states the official scorer shall credit a pitcher with a save when such pitcher meets all four of the following conditions:

    1. He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team
    2. He is not the winning pitcher
    3. He is credited with at least ⅓ of an inning pitched
    4. He satisfies one of the following conditions:
      1. He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning
      2. He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, at bat or on deck
      3. He pitches for at least three innings






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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    The closers now should be required to get 800 saves for a HOF bid with the loose rules. I've seen Rivera pick up at least 4 saves pitching to 1 batter this year alone.
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    The closers now should be required to get 800 saves for a HOF bid with the loose rules. I've seen Rivera pick up at least 4 saves pitching to 1 batter this year alone.
    I don't thinks saves automatically get you in the Hall of Fame. See Smith, Lee; Franco, John, Reardon, Jeff





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    Quote Originally Posted by Hey Look Its Chase Utley! View Post
    I don't thinks saves automatically get you in the Hall of Fame. See Smith, Lee; Franco, John, Reardon, Jeff
    Goose just got in. They are loosening up on closers for the HOF. HE pitched for NY though so he gets extra help.
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Just for sake of argument. Do you consider Rivera a HOFer?

    Hoffman?

    K-Rod?
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    Hoffman came in tonight in the 9th with an 8-3 lead with no outs and the bases loaded.

    Gets out of it and is awarded a save? This save shit is getting ridiculous. Bad enough people get them for getting 1 out, but this can't be a save can it?
    Because the batter on deck would be the tying run.

    Meanwhile, Hoffman saves the game and preserves the Win and you're gripping about it???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    Just for sake of argument. Do you consider Rivera a HOFer?

    Hoffman?

    K-Rod?
    Yes to all three.

    As baseball evolves, so too does the way players are adjusted to the situations that weren't there years ago.

    All three are examples of very good Clsoers in their day with Hoffman the leader in Saves-All-Time.
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Straw View Post
    Because the batter on deck would be the tying run.

    Meanwhile, Hoffman saves the game and preserves the Win and you're gripping about it???
    Uhhh...I could care less if they won the game. Hoffman is on an opposing fantasy team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Straw View Post
    Yes to all three.

    As baseball evolves, so too does the way players are adjusted to the situations that weren't there years ago.

    All three are examples of very good Clsoers in their day with Hoffman the leader in Saves-All-Time.
    How many saves do these guys get like this one? The first closers used to have to close games with 1-2 run leads, and went 3 innings half the time. Now you can get a save for basically showing up the majority of the time. None of those guys are in the HOF.
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    Uhhh...I could care less if they won the game. Hoffman is on an opposing fantasy team.
    So, you're basically whining about Hoffman's Save, then right?
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    How many saves do these guys get like this one? The first closers used to have to close games with 1-2 run leads, and went 3 innings half the time. Now you can get a save for basically showing up the majority of the time.
    If the situation was one where the set-up man couldn't get the job done, then the team's closer would be the go-to guy regardless of how many outs there were at the time.

    That's how the game has evolved.
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    The closers now should be required to get 800 saves for a HOF bid with the loose rules. I've seen Rivera pick up at least 4 saves pitching to 1 batter this year alone.
    At least 4?

    I hate to prove you wrong but oh well.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_...250&statType=2

    Looks like 1 to me.

    And some of those saves he pitched more then 1 inning so I guess it evens out.
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Damn...you guys are terrible trolls.
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    Damn...you guys are terrible trolls.
    1. This is a general baseball board.
    2. How is it trolling when you provide facts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BambinoBear View Post
    1. This is a general baseball board.
    2. How is it trolling when you provide facts?
    Not you. This other guy. His tone just annoys me...lol
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    Default Re: How is this a save?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip View Post
    Not you. This other guy. His tone just annoys me...lol
    OK.

    Carry on. LOL
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