Phillies - Money (2005)

[PhilaVa]

Ok, went through the contracts the best I could, if anyone knows anything that is wrong please speak up b/c some were tough to find expecially the young players. Anyway, this is where we stand right now for 2005. Those with no contracts for next year I placed their salary from 2004 ().

Players (2005)

BullPen:
Wagner - 9,000,000
Rodriguez - 3,150,000
Worrell - 2,750,000
Madson - 300,000 (?)
Cormier - No Contract (3,000,000)
Hernandez - No Contract (750,000)
Telemaco - No Contract (525,000)
Jones - No Contract (500,000)

Rotation:
Wolf - 6,500,000
Floyd - 1,000,000 (?)
Millwood - No Contract (11,000,000)
Milton - No Contract (9,000,000)
Lidle - No Contract (2,750,000)
Padilla - No Contract (2,600,000)
Myers - No Contract (362,500)

Position:
Abreu - 12,500,000
Thome - 11,500,000
Lieberthal - 7,500,000
Burrell - 7,000,000
Bell - 4,500,000
Utley - 300,000 (?)
Howard - 300,000 (?)
Polanco - No Contract (3,950,000)
Rollins - No Contract (2,400,000)
Pratt - No Contract (875,000)
Perez - No Contract (700,000)
Glanville - No Contract (550,000)
Byrd - No Contract (355,000)
Michaels - No Contract (305,000)

[thomeismyhomie]

I think you're pretty much right on. They're kind of vague about money owed to guys next year.

[PhilaVa]

I think you're pretty much right on. They're kind of vague about money owed to guys next year.

Well it's about time someone noticed the hard work I did on this, I mean damn fellas, would a little rep hurt?

[thomeismyhomie]

Well it's about time someone noticed the hard work I did on this, I mean damn fellas, would a little rep hurt?
I actually tried but i have to spread it around, so I've been doing that.

[thomeismyhomie]

There, it worked that time. I didnt think it was that recently since I had last repped you.

[PhilaVa]

I actually tried but i have to spread it around, so I've been doing that.

You're a whore, but anyway, I'm going to keep up with this so we can have a better idea of what moves we need to make this season.

I'm not sure who is a FA, and who is a R-FA, that info seems to be hard to come by, but as far as I know all of the 'No Contract' fellas need us to re-sign them or they may end up somewhere else, and that includes Jimmy Rollins.

[thomeismyhomie]

Where did you come up with the 1 Mil for Floyd?

[kwahraps]

Also, bear in mind, restricted free agents. Players like Rollins are arbitration eligible, but cannot be pursued by other teams. That being said, there are plenty of web sites that track mlb salaries :

http://www.bluemanc.demon.co.uk/baseball/mlbcontracts.htm

http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/salaries/default.aspx

Estimating for 2005 can be a little tricky, as only the first site has these
projections.

[PhilaVa]

Also, bear in mind, restricted free agents. Players like Rollins are arbitration eligible, but cannot be pursued by other teams. That being said, there are plenty of web sites that track mlb salaries :

http://www.bluemanc.demon.co.uk/baseball/mlbcontracts.htm

http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/salaries/default.aspx

Estimating for 2005 can be a little tricky, as only the first site has these
projections.

Yes, I know that many of them are restricted free agents, but I couldn't find any info on which ones were and which ones are not. Those are two of the websites I used for this thread, the first one is outdated a few years but is good for the big multi year deals. USA today is great also but it just does team payrolls and doesn't show player contracts for future years. I'll keep my eye out for more information.

[PhilaVa]

Where did you come up with the 1 Mil for Floyd?

Well, I know he isn't making the min. 300,000 that a rookie is, matter of fact I bet Utley and Madson aren't making the min. either but I figured that Floyd is closer to a Mil at this point in his contract.

Those three I couldn't get a real number on, that's why you see the (?) for them.

[Invader Newt]

actually Floyd is probably making rookie minimum or not too much more, most of the boons given to #1 Draft picks are huge signing bonuses and major league salaries while they are in the minors. stuff like that. No way he is making a million a year yet

[PhilaVa]

actually Floyd is probably making rookie minimum or not too much more, most of the boons given to #1 Draft picks are huge signing bonuses and major league salaries while they are in the minors. stuff like that. No way he is making a million a year yet

Ok, I didn't think about that, I did search for his signing and it said how long he signed for but had no figures what so ever, but he is not making the min...

That's why I put a (?) for Utley, Madson and Floyd, I have no idea what their true figures will be....

[kwahraps]

Ok, I didn't think about that, I did search for his signing and it said how long he signed for but had no figures what so ever, but he is not making the min...

That's why I put a (?) for Utley, Madson and Floyd, I have no idea what their true figures will be....Minor leaguers like Howard, Madson, and Utley will usually get paid about $300,000 per year, and signicantly less if they stay in the minors.

Floyd's signing bonus was about 4.2 million, but that doesn't get factored into his salary, apparently. Not like football, where contracts are guaranteed. That's why the Yankess can release Aaron Boone . . . of course, the Yankees are not the greatest example for explaining money issues . . .

[PhilaVa]

Minor leaguers like Howard, Madson, and Utley will usually get paid about $300,000 per year, and signicantly less if they stay in the minors.

Floyd's signing bonus was about 4.2 million, but that doesn't get factored into his salary, apparently. Not like football, where contracts are guaranteed. That's why the Yankess can release Aaron Boone . . . of course, the Yankees are not the greatest example for explaining money issues . . .

Actually I think it's the other way around, contracts are guaranteed in Baseball but not in football. A player can be dropped in the NFL and have nothing to say about it, they wont' get paid.

In baseball, you have to pay the contract no matter what, SEE: Mo Vaughn, Albert Belle, which to the best of my knowledge got paid to NOT play baseball this year. The Aaron Boone situation was due to the fact that he violated his contract by playing basketball so he couldn't receive the rest of his money.

[Invader Newt]

well thats sort of right. Signing bonus never gets factored into someone's salary in football or baseball. It gets factored into their cap number in football divided over the years of their contract. All baseball contracts are guaranteed whether they are major league or minor league. If the player is released the team still has to pay him (alot of contracts have buyout options in them though) In football contracts are only guaranteed as long as the player is on the roster on opening day. if you are cut before that day you get nothing, even if you had a 10 year contract. This is why we see alot more signing bonuses in football, it's the only way a football player can guarantee he gets money. the signing bonus is actually more important than what the player makes per year (T.O. for example only has a base salary of 750,000 next year)

[kwahraps]

Actually I think it's the other way around, contracts are guaranteed in Baseball but not in football. A player can be dropped in the NFL and have nothing to say about it, they wont' get paid.

In baseball, you have to pay the contract no matter what, SEE: Mo Vaughn, Albert Belle, which to the best of my knowledge got paid to NOT play baseball this year. The Aaron Boone situation was due to the fact that he violated his contract by playing basketball so he couldn't receive the rest of his money.
You're right. I was thinking of the salary cap hit that a football team takes from the signing bonus being spread out all those years. We probably don't recognize it as much in MLB because there is no salary cap.

[kwahraps]

Actually I think it's the other way around, contracts are guaranteed in Baseball but not in football. A player can be dropped in the NFL and have nothing to say about it, they wont' get paid.

In baseball, you have to pay the contract no matter what, SEE: Mo Vaughn, Albert Belle, which to the best of my knowledge got paid to NOT play baseball this year. The Aaron Boone situation was due to the fact that he violated his contract by playing basketball so he couldn't receive the rest of his money.
Baseball contracts are indeed fully guaranteed. However, in Belle's case, insurance covers 70% of his salary due to injury. So, the O's wound up paying him a mere $3 million dollars for him to "rest up". Vaughn was covered for 75%.

Because of the salary cap rules in the NFL, insurance does not give you cap relief.

[PhilaVa]

(T.O. for example only has a base salary of 750,000 next year)

Lord, don't you just love Joe Banner? I wish he would declare himself president of the Phillies and do something...

[PhilaVa]

Baseball contracts are indeed fully guaranteed. However, in Belle's case, insurance covers 70% of his salary due to injury. So, the O's wound up paying him a mere $3 million dollars for him to "rest up". Vaughn was covered for 75%.

Because of the salary cap rules in the NFL, insurance does not give you cap relief.

Yeah, I was just pointing out that they had to be paid regardless. Thanks to both of you, I am learning a lot of things I didn't know before hand about some aspects of these things.