Phillies Chat Archive

[PhilaVa]

Rollins
Utley
Abreu
Thome
Bell
Michaels
Burrell
Lieberthal

Padilla v. Beckett as the Phils go for the sweep. (In Florida?!?)

[PhilaVa]

Rollins
Byrd
Polonco
Bell
Lieberthal
Michaels
Burrell
Perez
Milton

Phillies open up their last homestand of a dissapointing 2004 season. Eric Milton v. Oliver Perez.

[PhilaVa]

As I see it right now...without any big movements on the FA market. I figure we could still go after someone to bump Lidle to the Pen for long relief.

Wolf
Padilla
Floyd
Myers
Lidle

Milton and Millwood both out of town.

[JRoll]

If that rotation can stay healthy, I have no problems with it but I would like to see them go after a true #1 pitcher like a Pavano or a Pedro.

[JRoll]

Very true, I think Gavin will end up being the ace with Wolf, Padilla, Myers and Lidle following in that order.

[Nittany Tar Heel]

Wow...actual phillies discussion......I could get used to this.

[JRoll]

Yeah, its intelligent discussion with out WCP, Bobbya, or any of the other morons.

[Nittany Tar Heel]

JRoll,

How do I change my sig and avatar and all that? I feel like a retard, but I can't find it anywhere.

[JRoll]

User CP and also there are posts explaining it, or you can pm Sully or other mods or admins to ask.

[PhilaVa]

First Game of 09/29/04 Doubleheader with the Pittsburg Pirates...


Rollins
Polanco
Abreu
Bell
Utley
Michaels
Burrell
Pratt
Padilla

Vicente Padilla (6-7) 4.50 v. Ian Snell (0-0) 2.57

[Enyalois]

What does anyone think Myers major problem is? I hear people talk alot about he gets rattled if he gets in trouble gives up HRs and such. Is that about accurate?

[Nittany Tar Heel]

What does anyone think Myers major problem is? I hear people talk alot about he gets rattled if he gets in trouble gives up HRs and such. Is that about accurate?
In short, he's young.

Don't forget how long it takes for pitchers to mature and become who they are. Mark Prior is very much the exception.

Just don't give up on him.

[Enyalois]

Does Manuel still look like the front runner if Bowa is to go?

[PhilaVa]

Second Game of the 09/29/04 Doubleheader vs. Pittsburg Pirates


Rollins
Polanco
Abreu
Howard
Michaels
Utley
Lieberthal
Glanville
Myers

Brett Myers (9-11) 5.60 vs. Ryan Volgelsong (6-13) 6.68

[thomeismyhomie]

Myers could definitely use a different pitching coach. I'm not saying thats his problem, but it obviously hasnt helped. We have all seen Myers be unhittable this year which still bodes well for the future. I would like to see our rotation be:

Padilla(he has the best chance to be our "ace" if we dont go get one)
Wolf
Milton(I want him back)
Lidle
Floyd or Myers fight for #5. One goes to the pen, probably Myers, or we send Floyd back to AAA. Of course, if this is our rotation next year, Beltran better be in CF.

[thomeismyhomie]

Hey, I agree about Floyd. We've got some decent pitchers though and there is no rush on Floyd just yet. I am eager as hell to see him perform and would love to have him in our opening day rotation. But, I am more thinking that management might want him at AAA for a bit longer, thats all I was saying.

[Nittany Tar Heel]

Yeah, count me in on the "no Milton" crowd. We need to make a concerted effort to get more Cory Lidle-like ground ball pitchers in our park. Milton will be very expensive and quite frankly, hasn't pitched as well as his record indicates. Let him walk.

Even with him off the ledger, we still don't have nearly enough for Beltran, IMO.

[PhilaVa]

First Game of the final series of the season vs. the Florida Marlins.. 09/30/04

Rollins
Polanco
Abreu
Bell
Michaels
Burrell
Lieberthal
Perez
Floyd

Gavin Floyd (2-0) 2.63 v. Dontrelle Willis (10-11) 4.01

[JRoll]

Tomas at first, WTF??

[JRoll]

we have Thome, Howard, and Utley and he puts Tomas at first, LOL.

[SU Nittany Tide]

Personally I'd like Wolf and Padilla.....those are the obvious ones. Floyd also needs to be there...Myers too. Lidle seems to be a very good #5 who will win games himself on some occasions and eat a lot of innings. I guess I dont see any reason to bring Milton back, though I do like him. The only way one of those 5 shouldn't be in the rotation is if they bring in someone new that is a true #1 or 2.

On another note...I really love the bullpen. Wagner, F-Rod, Madson, Worrell, Jones maybe, Cormier or a different lefty, and the Telly or someone else thats servicable for long innings. Also Jones or Telly could be knocked out by Lidle or Myers if someone else comes in for the starting rotation.

[JRoll]

I personally think that Barry Zito is going to be available for the right price and maybe Howard is that person. Zito or maybe Clement, Floyd, Wolf, Padilla, and Myers sounds good to me. Bullpen: Madson (closer), F-Rod (setup), Telly and Lidle (long guys), Worrell, Cormier or a lefty through free agency. We shed some payroll by getting rid of Wagner, maybe freeing up some money for a CF.

[SU Nittany Tide]

It will basically cost 6 mill to hold on to wagner this season. It would cost 3 mill to buy out his contract or 9 mill to keep him. So would you not spend 6 mill to have one of the best closers in baseball? When he has been healthy he has been great.

[JRoll]

It will basically cost 6 mill to hold on to wagner this season. It would cost 3 mill to buy out his contract or 9 mill to keep him. So would you not spend 6 mill to have one of the best closers in baseball? When he has been healthy he has been great.
I understand that but I see the potential for Madson to be a great closer. In his first inning of work at the beginning of the season, he was always lights out. Couple that with F-Rod's fastball in the setup role and Madson's changeup, I think that combo would be lethal. Unless the bullpen would go F-Rod, Madson, Wagner in the 7th, 8th, and 9th, then I wouldnt be opposed to keep Wagner. I just think the 6 mil could go towards a CF.

[SU Nittany Tide]

I understand that but I see the potential for Madson to be a great closer. In his first inning of work at the beginning of the season, he was always lights out. Couple that with F-Rod's fastball in the setup role and Madson's changeup, I think that combo would be lethal. Unless the bullpen would go F-Rod, Madson, Wagner in the 7th, 8th, and 9th, then I wouldnt be opposed to keep Wagner. I just think the 6 mil could go towards a CF.
They honestly should have plenty enough to pick up a center fielder if thats what they decide to do. Milton and Millwood going will free up 20 million alone. Attendance this season was even better than they could have expected at over 40000 a game and already broke the 3 million mark with 4 games to go (they'll finish with over 3.2 million). I know Thome, Burrell, Wolf, and Abreu are all going to get pay raises, but Lidle and Floyd will be a lot cheaper than Millwood and Milton. There is no reason they cant pay Wagner 6 mill AND get a good CF.

[JRoll]

They honestly should have plenty enough to pick up a center fielder if thats what they decide to do. Milton and Millwood going will free up 20 million alone. Attendance this season was even better than they could have expected at over 40000 a game and already broke the 3 million mark with 4 games to go (they'll finish with over 3.2 million). I know Thome, Burrell, Wolf, and Abreu are all going to get pay raises, but Lidle and Floyd will be a lot cheaper than Millwood and Milton. There is no reason they cant pay Wagner 6 mill AND get a good CF.
Well if they go by what they said at the beginning of the year, Millwood's money was a one time thing so it would only be Milton's money that would be freed up.

[SU Nittany Tide]

Well if they dont reward the 3.2 million ticket buyers with an up in payroll then.....I dont even know what to say. They have the ticket and market sales to go well above that 82 million dollar payroll (with Millwood's salary not included).

[JRoll]

Put me on the record as saying I want Marlon Byrd in CF next year and use the money on starting pitching.
I think I'd rather have J-Mic over Marlon, if there wasnt a solid CF available for sensible money

[PhilaVa]

I think I'd rather have J-Mic over Marlon, if there wasnt a solid CF available for sensible money

Nope, I want Marlon Byrd in CF next year, and he'll show you why. J-Mic is just my back up plan at this point.

[thomeismyhomie]

Guys, we gotta get the pen together before CF. We bring Wagner back and have Madson, FRod, Wagner, and even toss Worrell in there to spell the others cause he is still effective. Man, if we could keep those three healthy and together, the late innings would be ours for the taking. We would be unstoppable if we could get 6 innings from our starters. I say we could use Madson in the type of position he had this year. If we need him to go two innings, then we bring in Worrell or Jones(who has pitched well lately) if we keep him. FRod and Wagner= Lights out baby!

[thomeismyhomie]

Though, JRoll, I am right with you on the philosophy of having a setup guy and a closer having different types of pitches, but thats more effective if you have Madson in the 7th with his changeup cause chances are the next time those guys bat they will be facing Wagner.

[JRoll]

Though, JRoll, I am right with you on the philosophy of having a setup guy and a closer having different types of pitches, but thats more effective if you have Madson in the 7th with his changeup cause chances are the next time those guys bat they will be facing Wagner.
very true, so Mad Dog 7th, F-Rod 8th, Wagner 9th. Doesnt sound bad.

[thomeismyhomie]

Phila, you just love to be a pain in the butt dont you. What I meant was we need to spend the 6 mill on Wagner before doing what JRoll suggested and go after Beltran. Wagner is more important IMO. Geez man!

[PhilaVa]

Phila, you just love to be a pain in the butt dont you. What I meant was we need to spend the 6 mill on Wagner before doing what JRoll suggested and go after Beltran. Wagner is more important IMO. Geez man!

I know, but all I am saying is I think that money is a lock, Billy already said he wants to come back, there is no way we let him go, it would be a boneheaded move by Phils management, not out of the ordinary but I still don't expect it.

[Invader Newt]

The Phillies front office would have to be utterly stupid to let Wagner walk. They have too much invested in him as far as the prospects they traded to houston to get him.

That being said. I see the Pitching staff next year looking like this

Wolf, Padilla, Floyd, Myers, Milton or Lidle (i'd prefer Lidle but would not be adverse to having milton back at the right price)

Wagner, Worrell, Rodriguez, Madsen, Probably Jones, Hopefully Cormier (if he doesn't retire the phillies would be dumb not to at least try to get him back he's anchored that pen the past 2 years....If you need a 7th guy you can always pick one up or use Geary, another year might make him good enough

So really Unless a big time starter somehow lands in our laps we're pretty much set with what we have.

I know his contract might prevent it form happening but if we could find someone who'd want to take Burrell off our hands we could free up more money to sign Beltran and then i wouldn't mind seeing michaels in left. If we could get a catching prospect and or pitching prospct for burrell more power to us.

[PhilaVa]

I also doubt Burrell is going anywhere, and I do not think that is a bad thing, he will be fine, I'd like to at least see him under another manager.

I like your ideas but the way it's going now I want to see Marlon Byrd giving another shot next year, at the very least he deserves that, I mean the guy hit .300 in his rookie year, we can't just give up on him.

[thomeismyhomie]

I have to believe that we are going to go after a #1 though. I don't think the fans will let Wade get away with not going after one cause I think our lineup is staying the same. We are also definitely stuck with Burrell. If we are going to get rid of him, we'll have to do it this year before his salary really starts to balloon. I really dont see anyone going after him though and I would prefer just to see if he can get things turned around for us. We need some right handed pop in this lineup. I still stick by what I said the other night, we trade Howard to Oakland for Zito. I think they'd do it just cause they are so cheap and could use Howard as a DH.

[PhilaVa]

I have to believe that we are going to go after a #1 though. I don't think the fans will let Wade get away with not going after one cause I think our lineup is staying the same. We are also definitely stuck with Burrell. If we are going to get rid of him, we'll have to do it this year before his salary really starts to balloon. I really dont see anyone going after him though and I would prefer just to see if he can get things turned around for us. We need some right handed pop in this lineup. I still stick by what I said the other night, we trade Howard to Oakland for Zito. I think they'd do it just cause they are so cheap and could use Howard as a DH.

I don't know what number ones are out there, Pedro and Pavano? I bet both of them go back to their own teams. Clement is not a number one. Zito has one year left on his contract so unless we resign him I wouldn't give up anything for him. Should be an interesting off season, we could do nothing or we could do a lot. My bet is nothing and a manager change.

[thomeismyhomie]

I suppose I am in the minority that would be fine with that. I think that if you fielded this team 100 times, probably 95 of them, we get to the playoffs. Not saying we run away with anything but we get the wildcard at least. Things just went all wrong this year. We need a fresh coaching staff and Wade knows that. He knows we need Manuel in there and Kerrigan and Gross gone. I agree though, it will be interesting.

[PhilaVa]

I suppose I am in the minority that would be fine with that. I think that if you fielded this team 100 times, probably 95 of them, we get to the playoffs. Not saying we run away with anything but we get the wildcard at least. Things just went all wrong this year. We need a fresh coaching staff and Wade knows that. He knows we need Manuel in there and Kerrigan and Gross gone. I agree though, it will be interesting.

I don't know how they wouldn't get rid of Bowa after the year, it would really surprise me actually. I wouldn't feel good about next year what so ever, it's just not working out well.

[Invader Newt]

Pedro is either going to the sox or Yankees no if's and's or butts about it. Clement is not a #1 but he would be a #1 here, he's better than anything we have, if we could get him i'd be happy

[PhilaVa]

Pedro is either going to the sox or Yankees no if's and's or butts about it. Clement is not a #1 but he would be a #1 here, he's better than anything we have, if we could get him i'd be happy

I dont' think Clement is better then Padilla or Wolf when they play well, I would slice him in there with those two...

[thomeismyhomie]

Padilla is our #1 next year, IMO. That is, if we keep the same type of staff.

[JRoll]

Padilla is our #1 next year, IMO. That is, if we keep the same type of staff.
IMO, I think Floyd could be the #1 by the end of the year. Wolf will start as our #1 but be pushed to #2 by the end of the year.

[thomeismyhomie]

No doubt in my mind, Floyd will be our opening day starter in 2006. But not yet. Padilla is our most dominant pitcher IMO. He's got things he needs to work on but the injury this year really slowed his progress. Wolf may be our most effective day in and day out, but Padilla is our candidate for the next no-no.

[PhilaVa]

I say Wolf starts the opener for us in 2005.

[JRoll]

I say Wolf starts the opener for us in 2005.
My thinking exactly......scary.

[thomeismyhomie]

I'm ok with that too guys. Either or. Wolf will probably get it though cause he has earned it a bit more.

[SU Nittany Tide]

If Myers could get his fricking head straight he really could be a near top of the order starter. His curve is just nasty and he's got a plus fast ball. He may actually still have the best stuff in the rotation....next to Floyd probably.

[JRoll]

If Myers could get his fricking head straight he really could be a near top of the order starter. His curve is just nasty and he's got a plus fast ball. He may actually still have the best stuff in the rotation....next to Floyd probably.
From what i heard, Kerrigan is to blame for most of this. He tells the pitchers too many things and they concentrate on those things instead of just thinking about pitching. With the new pitching coach, hopefully LA, those things will change and Myers will be back pitching the way we know he can.

[SU Nittany Tide]

From what i heard, Kerrigan is to blame for most of this. He tells the pitchers too many things and they concentrate on those things instead of just thinking about pitching. With the new pitching coach, hopefully LA, those things will change and Myers will be back pitching the way we know he can.
I hope youre right...he definitely has the potential.

[PhilaVa]

SU Nit Tide = Gut?

I forgot, I'm so confused.

[JRoll]

SU Nit Tide = Gut?

I forgot, I'm so confused.
Nope as it says in his profile SU Nittany Tide = Enforcer but MikeLewis32 = Gut

[JWUGoalie26]

Pitchers
What I'd love to see is the Phils go after 2 pitchers...I'd like Ortiz. Byrd, and/or Clement or resign Lidle.

3rd Base
Although i like Bell I'd like to see us try and trade him and pick up Lowell or Beltre...we need to someone with a great arm and consistent bat to play the hot corner and I feel Lowell or Beltre would be a huge upgrade and some team would be willing to trade for Bell whether its for leadership or to just fill a hole.

Centerfield
To words..... NO BYRD.....Go and get Beltran...He is the answer..... and we should try and get our 1st round pick from this year involved in the farm system....he looks as though he will have huge talent and most im portantly...TONS OF SPEED!!! It'd be nice to see Golson start to develope...but for now I think Beltran is the answer.

Catcher
Libey is a good guy but not a come up in the clutch catcher anymore.....he's lost his arm and was never a huge hitter.....I'd like to see us trade him for a pick or prospect or a young pitcher.....Varitek or Kendall would be an upgrade at a position that may not be a glaring problem now but will be in another year or two.

Ryan Howard
Yup he gets his own column.....Lets see how he works out in the outfield this offseason in the Fall league..... if he just isn't an outfielder lets try and package the kid with meyers, a pick, or someone to try and maybe get like Barry Zito..... he could really help us get a productive player due to his growing hype and now AA MVP award.

Thoughts???

[PhilaVa]

Pitchers
What I'd love to see is the Phils go after 2 pitchers...I'd like Ortiz. Byrd, and/or Clement or resign Lidle.

3rd Base
Although i like Bell I'd like to see us try and trade him and pick up Lowell or Beltre...we need to someone with a great arm and consistent bat to play the hot corner and I feel Lowell or Beltre would be a huge upgrade and some team would be willing to trade for Bell whether its for leadership or to just fill a hole.

Centerfield
To words..... NO BYRD.....Go and get Beltran...He is the answer..... and we should try and get our 1st round pick from this year involved in the farm system....he looks as though he will have huge talent and most im portantly...TONS OF SPEED!!! It'd be nice to see Golson start to develope...but for now I think Beltran is the answer.

Catcher
Libey is a good guy but not a come up in the clutch catcher anymore.....he's lost his arm and was never a huge hitter.....I'd like to see us trade him for a pick or prospect or a young pitcher.....Varitek or Kendall would be an upgrade at a position that may not be a glaring problem now but will be in another year or two.

Ryan Howard
Yup he gets his own column.....Lets see how he works out in the outfield this offseason in the Fall league..... if he just isn't an outfielder lets try and package the kid with meyers, a pick, or someone to try and maybe get like Barry Zito..... he could really help us get a productive player due to his growing hype and now AA MVP award.

Thoughts???

Pitchers - Byrd and Ortiz would be bad moves...Clement and Lidle would be 100 % better moves. I don't think I would be a fan of this team anymore if they went after Ortiz and Byrd, they are worse then most of our current pitchers.

3B - I like Bell, I don't think he is going anywhere, and therefore it would be impossible to go after either of them, I though the Marlins resigned Lowell? Beltre will have a big price tag, I dont' think he is worth it.

CF - Beltran would be great, but he will be too expensive, I doubt our payroll will be above 100 Mil and it would almost have to be to have Beltran. Should be interesting to see where Beltran Ends up, but probably not here. Baldelli or Crawford sounds like a more of an option. but I like Byrd and would like to see him have another chance.

C - not sure where those comments about Lieby came from but he still has a great arm as we've seen lately (pitchers need to help) and after his horrible first half he has been good for us.

Howard - Well see, if he can play in the outfeild he can stay with the PHils, if he can't then we're going to have to trade him. Its as simply as that.

[asheylarry]

Way too much money would have to be spent to bring in the guys you would like to see at 3B, CF, and C. Honestly, as long as Wade is GM I don't think anything drastic will be done to the current roster. Given his stance that the roster is talented enough to win the WS, IMO not many changes will be made.

[PhilaVa]

Way too much money would have to be spent to bring in the guys you would like to see at 3B, CF, and C. Honestly, as long as Wade is GM I don't think anything drastic will be done to the current roster. Given his stance that the roster is talented enough to win the WS, IMO not many changes will be made.

yes, I believe that is a point I have left out, you have a lot of money with all those moves you are making..

[PhilaVa]

Philadelphia Phillies (84-75) v. Florida Marlins (82-77) 10/01/04

Thome Returns to the Lineup..

Rollins
Polanco
Abreu
Thome
Bell
Michaels
Burrell
Lieberthal
Lidle

Cory Lidle (11-12) 4.95 v. David Weathers (7-7) (4.25)

[Invader Newt]

If Wade resigns Lidle and Cormier, Picks up the option on Wagner and F-Rod and were to sign either Clement or Beltran i would be a happy camper.

If Ryan Howard in the OF works i'd like to see him trade Burrell, even if he eats half his salary it might be enough to sign Beltran with Milton and Millwood gone.

3b and C we are set or stuck depending on how you look at things. (I like to think set)

I could live with giving Marlon Byrd another chance with Michaels as the insurance if i have to but i'd like to see at least an effort made to sign Beltran if this is the case. (or trade for a CF)

I have also heard rumors of a trade with the D-Rays that would send Byrd and obviously another player or two to the D-rays for Crawford or Baldelli. That would be a satisfactory replacement for signing Beltran/Clement in my first sentence

[PhilaVa]

If Wade resigns Lidle and Cormier, Picks up the option on Wagner and F-Rod and were to sign either Clement or Beltran i would be a happy camper.

If Ryan Howard in the OF works i'd like to see him trade Burrell, even if he eats half his salary it might be enough to sign Beltran with Milton and Millwood gone.

3b and C we are set or stuck depending on how you look at things. (I like to think set)

I could live with giving Marlon Byrd another chance with Michaels as the insurance if i have to but i'd like to see at least an effort made to sign Beltran if this is the case. (or trade for a CF)

I have also heard rumors of a trade with the D-Rays that would send Byrd and obviously another player or two to the D-rays for Crawford or Baldelli. That would be a satisfactory replacement for signing Beltran/Clement in my first sentence

I think Clement is more of an option then is Beltran, but I have a feeling we are not going to make many moves this off season. I also have a feeling that Wade will be stupid and resign Milton which is a mistake to me. He better resign Lidle, or that will be a mistake. I don't think Beltran will even be an option, I think the DRays OFers are more of an option.

I think the biggest move we need, is a managerial change, there is no other option here, this needs to be done.

[asheylarry]

Can someone please explain why so many people want Burrel gone?

[PhilaVa]

Can someone please explain why so many people want Burrel gone?

I don't want him gone, but I can understand why some would. I'd love to see him under a new manager, I think we all would see a major difference.

[asheylarry]

I don't want him gone, but I can understand why some would. I'd love to see him under a new manager, I think we all would see a major difference.
I agree that a new manager would be a great help to Pat.

[JWUGoalie26]

Ok...what about a trade with Kansas City???

Proposal:
Philly Trades

CF Marlon Byrd .230 BA 5 HR 33 RBI 343 AB 104 G 68 SO

1B Ryan Howard .263 BA 2 HR 4 RBI 38 AB 18 G 13 SO

RP Amaury Telemaco 0-2 4.31 ERA 12 HR 19 BB 54.1 Inn. 32 SO

Possible Draft Pick

Kansas City Trades

SP Zack Greinke 8-10 3.92 ERA 26 HR 25 BB 140 Inn. 97 SO

CF David DeJesus .280 BA 7 HR 37 RBI 350 AB 93 G 53 SO

Philly Gets: A 20 year old Starting pitcher with tons of upside and a yougn CF with a respectful Avg. and a low strike out count.

Kansas City Gets: A young potential Superstar 1B with huge HR power, A young CF that has somethinhg to prove and a new environment to succeed in, and a Relief Pitcher that has shown some good stuff.

Thoughts???

[asheylarry]

Don't think the Royals are going to be interested in dealing Greinke for an unproven player.

[PhilaVa]

Don't think the Royals are going to be interested in dealing Greinke for an unproven player.

I agree, Greinke wouldn't be traded for anything really...they want him, he is their future.

[asheylarry]

Still don't understand why Utley is not starting everyday.

[PhilaVa]

Nope as it says in his profile SU Nittany Tide = Enforcer but MikeLewis32 = Gut


I hope I can remember that, the more they post, the more that I will understand.

[Nittany Tar Heel]

My signature was created to alleviate those problems.

[PhilaVa]

My signature was created to alleviate those problems.


LoL. I eliminated that option so i don't have to look at everyone's big sigs...it's annoying to me, don't worry I will learn soon enough...I wish some more people would come over here...

[Invader Newt]

I don't want to see Burrell gone really. However, If he is not traded i do not want to endure another season of that awful swing. Watch him swing next time he is up, he pulls his head off the ball and drops his shoulder, the only thing keeping him from batting .120 with no home runs is the fact that he is gifted with tremendous strength and a quick bat. If he corrected his swing he could bat .320 with 40-50 hr's a year. Everyone in the organization has tried to correct his swing, he goes through spurts where it appears like he's gotten it and then as soon as he has an 0-for or two he slips back to that awful lunging swing that causes him to strike out so damn much. Power hitters strike out alot but Burrell makes it look like it's his hobby.

Sometimes baseball players need a change of scenery, and i am not sold on the fact that a new manager in philly will do the trick. You bring in a new manager you are basically blaming bowa and gross for Burrells swing. You send Burrell packing and maybe he gets the message that...oh my god...it really is me thats the problem what can i do to fix this.

I'd love to see Burrell in Philly with a nice compact swing trying to hit line drives instead of 450 foot bombs every time he came to the plate. In that ball park he could hit 50 by accident and hit 280-320

[Invader Newt]

Just for the record when he is on Padilla has the nastiest stuff in the rotation hands down. Once Floyd fully develops his third pitch he'll probably have the best stuff but until then it's Padilla, with Myers not too far behind. Madsen also has really nasty stuff but unless the phillies don't sign any free agents including their own he will be in the bullpen again.

[thomeismyhomie]

Greinke is a legit future star, but there's no way we get him. We'd be crazy to trade Tele and we're going to have enough young talent for our rotation, but honestly, I am a big fan of Greinke, I think he'll have a good career someday. I mean, even Howard for him would be a stretch for us.

[thomeismyhomie]

Ok, here goes. Burrell will stay and he will make us proud. He is way too good of a hitter to continue this crap that he has been showing. CF belongs to J-Mike next season. He showed a ton of potential and even single-handedly won us some games down the stretch. He needs to improve that D and there is that outside chance that Byrd will be packaged in a deal for Crawford or Baldelli. RF belongs to our best hitter, Abreu. To dick with him and put him in CF just for Howards bat is insanity. 1B belongs to Thome as long as he stays in the league. It was ridiculous to see everyone turn on him cause never could you ever doubt the fact that Thome was giving us 110%. 2nd is Chases' show with Polanco(hope) there to back him. SS is Jrolls' for as long as he's around. Bell has 3rd base for now, but I heard a rumor that the Phils want Lowell and he has always been a huge Phils fan as long as he's been alive. I would love to have a guy like Lowell but there's no way we sell out Bell after all he has done for us this year. Lieby remains behind the plate unless a whacky trade happens with the Dodgers. Then there's the pitchers. We all agree Millwood is gone and hopefully off to a more productive career somewhere else. We end up with Zito, Padilla, Wolf, Milton, and Lidle for our rotation. I am a huge believer in Brett Myers, but there wont be any room for him unless he accepts a role in the pen, which I definitely think he is suited for. That way we have Madson, Tele, Jones, Cormier(Villone) Worrell, and Wagner in the pen. We keep Floyd down for a while. I know we all want to see him, but as long as we have some guys who can get the job done, we may as well let him develop slower and reap the benefits later. If a starter gets hurt, Myers or Floyd can step in without a problem unlike Abbott. then, to top it off, Bowa gets let go and we bring in Manuel to replace Gross, anyone to replace Kerrigan(hope Anderson), keep Vuke and Varsho around, and give the reigns to Mike Hargrove?! Yeah, wheres his name been? He's a good manager and could be a great fit. I guess I'd be ok with all that :-)

[asheylarry]

I don't want to see Burrell gone really. However, If he is not traded i do not want to endure another season of that awful swing. Watch him swing next time he is up, he pulls his head off the ball and drops his shoulder, the only thing keeping him from batting .120 with no home runs is the fact that he is gifted with tremendous strength and a quick bat. If he corrected his swing he could bat .320 with 40-50 hr's a year. Everyone in the organization has tried to correct his swing, he goes through spurts where it appears like he's gotten it and then as soon as he has an 0-for or two he slips back to that awful lunging swing that causes him to strike out so damn much. Power hitters strike out alot but Burrell makes it look like it's his hobby.

Sometimes baseball players need a change of scenery, and i am not sold on the fact that a new manager in philly will do the trick. You bring in a new manager you are basically blaming bowa and gross for Burrells swing. You send Burrell packing and maybe he gets the message that...oh my god...it really is me thats the problem what can i do to fix this.

I'd love to see Burrell in Philly with a nice compact swing trying to hit line drives instead of 450 foot bombs every time he came to the plate. In that ball park he could hit 50 by accident and hit 280-320
To single him out because of his penchant for striking out alot doesn't make much sense to me. Everyone on this team strikes out way too much. Because of that, I believe it's a reflection of the hitting instructor and his inability to get guys into the proper mindset when at the plate.

[Domino427]

Plus KC don't need another 1B...they've got Harvey for a long time, and Sweeney isn't going anywhere.

[asheylarry]

Ok, here goes. Burrell will stay and he will make us proud. He is way too good of a hitter to continue this crap that he has been showing. CF belongs to J-Mike next season. He showed a ton of potential and even single-handedly won us some games down the stretch. He needs to improve that D and there is that outside chance that Byrd will be packaged in a deal for Crawford or Baldelli. RF belongs to our best hitter, Abreu. To dick with him and put him in CF just for Howards bat is insanity. 1B belongs to Thome as long as he stays in the league. It was ridiculous to see everyone turn on him cause never could you ever doubt the fact that Thome was giving us 110%. 2nd is Chases' show with Polanco(hope) there to back him. SS is Jrolls' for as long as he's around. Bell has 3rd base for now, but I heard a rumor that the Phils want Lowell and he has always been a huge Phils fan as long as he's been alive. I would love to have a guy like Lowell but there's no way we sell out Bell after all he has done for us this year. Lieby remains behind the plate unless a whacky trade happens with the Dodgers. Then there's the pitchers. We all agree Millwood is gone and hopefully off to a more productive career somewhere else. We end up with Zito, Padilla, Wolf, Milton, and Lidle for our rotation. I am a huge believer in Brett Myers, but there wont be any room for him unless he accepts a role in the pen, which I definitely think he is suited for. That way we have Madson, Tele, Jones, Cormier(Villone) Worrell, and Wagner in the pen. We keep Floyd down for a while. I know we all want to see him, but as long as we have some guys who can get the job done, we may as well let him develop slower and reap the benefits later. If a starter gets hurt, Myers or Floyd can step in without a problem unlike Abbott. then, to top it off, Bowa gets let go and we bring in Manuel to replace Gross, anyone to replace Kerrigan(hope Anderson), keep Vuke and Varsho around, and give the reigns to Mike Hargrove?! Yeah, wheres his name been? He's a good manager and could be a great fit. I guess I'd be ok with all that :-)
I thought the Fish already extended Lowell's deal? Even if they didn't, I don't see the money needed to signh him being spent. The management has spent as much as it is going to on this team, IMO. I would love to Zito on this team, but I don't see any reason the A's would want to get rid of him. I do not want to see Todd Jones on this team next year the guy is as big a bum as Hernandez. A pen of a healthy Tele, Madson, and Wagner along with Worrell, Rodriguez, and Cormier(possibly Myers) would be very nice. Would really love to see this team acquire a true top of the rotation ace, but very doubtful that it can or will happen.

[thomeismyhomie]

I thought the Fish already extended Lowell's deal? Even if they didn't, I don't see the money needed to signh him being spent. The management has spent as much as it is going to on this team, IMO. I would love to Zito on this team, but I don't see any reason the A's would want to get rid of him. I do not want to see Todd Jones on this team next year the guy is as big a bum as Hernandez. A pen of a healthy Tele, Madson, and Wagner along with Worrell, Rodriguez, and Cormier(possibly Myers) would be very nice. Would really love to see this team acquire a true top of the rotation ace, but very doubtful that it can or will happen.
We woudl get Lowell in a trade. There was an article on yahoo.com about this a few weeks back. The A's will deal Zito this offseason IMO. They dont want his contract around cause they are going to have to sign Hudson and they want Rich Harden around more than Zito. It's been said millions of times already throughout the year. I personally think we get Zito for Ryan Howard. We may have to give up a little bit more, but that would be the guts of it. The reason why I say let Jones stay is cause we traded some guys away for him. I know it wasn't much, but he would also have a less of an impact role in our pen. He woudl be doing a lot of mop-up duty and the guy still is a solid bullpen arm. He is nowhere near as bad as Hernandez. Jones faltered a bit, but then again, if we got rid of everyone who choked, we'd be left with David Bell, Polanco, and Abreu on the team.

[thomeismyhomie]

We woudl get Lowell in a trade. There was an article on yahoo.com about this a few weeks back. The A's will deal Zito this offseason IMO. They dont want his contract around cause they are going to have to sign Hudson and they want Rich Harden around more than Zito. It's been said millions of times already throughout the year. I personally think we get Zito for Ryan Howard. We may have to give up a little bit more, but that would be the guts of it. The reason why I say let Jones stay is cause we traded some guys away for him. I know it wasn't much, but he would also have a less of an impact role in our pen. He woudl be doing a lot of mop-up duty and the guy still is a solid bullpen arm. He is nowhere near as bad as Hernandez. Jones faltered a bit, but then again, if we got rid of everyone who choked, we'd be left with David Bell, Polanco, and Abreu on the team.
would is spelled.....w-o-u-l-d.....geez.

[JRoll]

We woudl get Lowell in a trade. There was an article on yahoo.com about this a few weeks back. The A's will deal Zito this offseason IMO. They dont want his contract around cause they are going to have to sign Hudson and they want Rich Harden around more than Zito. It's been said millions of times already throughout the year. I personally think we get Zito for Ryan Howard. We may have to give up a little bit more, but that would be the guts of it. The reason why I say let Jones stay is cause we traded some guys away for him. I know it wasn't much, but he would also have a less of an impact role in our pen. He woudl be doing a lot of mop-up duty and the guy still is a solid bullpen arm. He is nowhere near as bad as Hernandez. Jones faltered a bit, but then again, if we got rid of everyone who choked, we'd be left with David Bell, Polanco, and Abreu on the team.
Forgot JRoll, LOL.

[asheylarry]

What would we deal for Lowell? The Fish aren't going to want to take on big money in return, so Burrel's out and our farm system has been essentially gutted. I think Jones flat out stinks, have thought he stinks before he was a Phillie, that's just my opinion.

[thomeismyhomie]

Forgot JRoll, LOL.
I have been on JRoll's sack for so long I didn't think it was necessary. But yes, JRoll is the man. He and Abreu are our offensive MVP's, no doubt about it.

[thomeismyhomie]

What would we deal for Lowell? The Fish aren't going to want to take on big money in return, so Burrel's out and our farm system has been essentially gutted. I think Jones flat out stinks, have thought he stinks before he was a Phillie, that's just my opinion.
Know what? You're right. I am going to have to go back and find that article and get the details out of it. All I remember from it is that it talked about how Lowell grew up a Phillie fan and was interested in coming here this offseason.

[StevieBDunkNOnU]

Baldelli and Crawford are no option what so ever. Our new owner has already rejected a trade saying Baldelli is untouchable. That goes for Crawford as well. You would have to give up some stuff unbelieveably big to get them. Which no smart team would give up that much.

[JRoll]

the news that Kerrigan resigned on thursday effective end of the season? I think that will be best for the team next year. Hopefully they will offer the job to LA and he takes it. That way, the pitching staff will be much improved and the broadcast booth might see the return of........the Krukker.

[thomeismyhomie]

What would we deal for Lowell? The Fish aren't going to want to take on big money in return, so Burrel's out and our farm system has been essentially gutted. I think Jones flat out stinks, have thought he stinks before he was a Phillie, that's just my opinion.
Ok, I dont know how to include an article link in my post but I'll tell you what it said. It said it was a longshot, but Mike Lowell has the option to become a free agent at the end of the season and would love to play in Philly. But, we do already have Bell there so it may not be logical.

[thomeismyhomie]

the news that Kerrigan resigned on thursday effective end of the season? I think that will be best for the team next year. Hopefully they will offer the job to LA and he takes it. That way, the pitching staff will be much improved and the broadcast booth might see the return of........the Krukker.
All I saw was the article on Phillies.com last night and it said he was considering it. Of course, I would have to read it again cause I could have had a conversation with the Pope last night for all I know. That's great news though. I think I'll give him a little credit cause Ryan Madson and Cory Lidle have both said he helped them a lot.

[SU Nittany Tide]

I really doubt Kruk would leave ESPN unless they for some reason wanted him to. However, Kerrigan was gone regardless of him resigning or not, so not really a big deal. You really think LA would be a good pitching coach? Has he done that before?

[PhilaVa]

Baldelli and Crawford are no option what so ever. Our new owner has already rejected a trade saying Baldelli is untouchable. That goes for Crawford as well. You would have to give up some stuff unbelieveably big to get them. Which no smart team would give up that much.

Well the problem for the D-Rays is that someone in their OF is giong to have to be moved due to the depth they have at the positions. They can either trade Crawford or Baldelli or move the young propect, I forgot his name...but he is really fast, they had brought him up ealier in the year but he did not do well.

[thomeismyhomie]

Well the problem for the D-Rays is that someone in their OF is giong to have to be moved due to the depth they have at the positions. They can either trade Crawford or Baldelli or move the young propect, I forgot his name...but he is really fast, they had brought him up ealier in the year but he did not do well.
Joey Gathright, I believe is his name. I agree, the D-Rays are going to move someone.

[StevieBDunkNOnU]

Well the problem for the D-Rays is that someone in their OF is giong to have to be moved due to the depth they have at the positions. They can either trade Crawford or Baldelli or move the young propect, I forgot his name...but he is really fast, they had brought him up ealier in the year but he did not do well.

Yea your talking about Joey Gathright. He did do well when he got brought up, but he came up because baldelli went on the DL. We are most likely to trade Joey, we need more power and have plenty of speed in Crawford, Baldelli, Upton, and Lugo......

Gathright is a possibility.

[PhilaVa]

Yea your talking about Joey Gathright. He did do well when he got brought up, but he came up because baldelli went on the DL. We are most likely to trade Joey, we need more power and have plenty of speed in Crawford, Baldelli, Upton, and Lugo......

Gathright is a possibility.

I heard the DRays are high on him and do not want to move him. Regardless I expect one of them to be moved and Baldelli didn't have a very good year.

[StevieBDunkNOnU]

I heard the DRays are high on him and do not want to move him. Regardless I expect one of them to be moved and Baldelli didn't have a very good year.

Havin heard that one. I hope not, cause i want to move him. Even though i like what he does, he just cant fit in right now. But, How did Baldelli not have a very good year? Explain this one to me......

[thomeismyhomie]

Havin heard that one. I hope not, cause i want to move him. Even though i like what he does, he just cant fit in right now. But, How did Baldelli not have a very good year? Explain this one to me......
Baldelli is a better hitter than what he did this season. I know he missed out on 100 AB's or so, but 16 HR's is way down for him. He is also a better than .280 avg. hitter. I think he's a very good player, he just had a little sub standard year.

[SU Nittany Tide]

Why is Myers going on 3 days rest to finish off the season? I dont even know why they'd bother having him do that. Anyone know?

[StevieBDunkNOnU]

I know he missed out on 100 AB's or so, but 16 HR's is way down for him. He is also a better than .280 avg. hitter. I think he's a very good player, he just had a little sub standard year.

Ok, he missed 100 ABs, but he hit 16 HRs, which is down? its 2 more than he had last year, in 100 less ABs...hes improved. Your right about the .280 average. He should be over .300. But one thing that helped him last year was alot of infield hits. Which he couldnt run as usual this year with his groin problem...That being said, he didnt hit .300 last year, and hes learned to walk and take pitches and get a better pitch to hit. Believe me, the only thing he had a down year in is his steals.....

[thomeismyhomie]

Ok, he missed 100 ABs, but he hit 16 HRs, which is down? its 2 more than he had last year, in 100 less ABs...hes improved. Your right about the .280 average. He should be over .300. But one thing that helped him last year was alot of infield hits. Which he couldnt run as usual this year with his groin problem...That being said, he didnt hit .300 last year, and hes learned to walk and take pitches and get a better pitch to hit. Believe me, the only thing he had a down year in is his steals.....
You would know more about him than I would so I'll take your word for it. He's got pop though and I figured he'd be a 25-30 homer guy eventually. I could be wrong though.

[thomeismyhomie]

Why is Myers going on 3 days rest to finish off the season? I dont even know why they'd bother having him do that. Anyone know?
Well, its either Padilla or Myers on three days rest. It makes no sense to have Padilla go on 3 days rest right now. IMO, I say give Madson some rest(screwed that up last night) and give him the ball for the last game of the year. That's what I would have done. He has earned it and to start the last game at home would be a class move by Bowa, but it didnt happen.

[JRoll]

Well, its either Padilla or Myers on three days rest. It makes no sense to have Padilla go on 3 days rest right now. IMO, I say give Madson some rest(screwed that up last night) and give him the ball for the last game of the year. That's what I would have done. He has earned it and to start the last game at home would be a class move by Bowa, but it didnt happen.
You expect Bowa to think ahead like that?

[thomeismyhomie]

You expect Bowa to think ahead like that?
lol.....not at all. But seriously, the kid is our MVP as far as pitchers go. Wouldn't it have been a nice gesture by the team to hand him the ball and give the crowd something to get excited about?

[JRoll]

lol.....not at all. But seriously, the kid is our MVP as far as pitchers go. Wouldn't it have been a nice gesture by the team to hand him the ball and give the crowd something to get excited about?
You think Myers might do that anyway?

[Domino427]

Yeah, that woulda been cool. But to be honest, I don't know too many people who would have thought of that...i know i never would have.

Woulda been sweet though...but he wouldnt get to pitch more than like 4 innings max...he's not stretched out...plus you dont wanna risk injury like that either.

[thomeismyhomie]

You think Myers might do that anyway?
I guess so. I'm just speaking nostalgically, forgive me :-)

[StevieBDunkNOnU]

You would know more about him than I would so I'll take your word for it. He's got pop though and I figured he'd be a 25-30 homer guy eventually. I could be wrong though.

I see him hitting over 20 HRs a year, going to 30 wouldnt be a stretch....

[SU Nittany Tide]

I guess I didnt realize itd be either one going on 3 days rest. I was just looking at the schedule and saw Padilla pitched a game and then Myers pitched the next....assuming it was different day. You know though....Padilla DOES have about 3 hours extra rest!

[Domino427]

LoL...it's fine Thome...that would be awesome...I'm just givin my 2 cents, plus playing the devils advocate (i dono why i like that so much) lol.

[Invader Newt]

on top of that you can't trade draft picks in MLB

[Invader Newt]

Just wanted to interject here. The way the D-rays ownership works with the limited budget they have. If they Feel Gathright is ready to play in the majors, he is farther form free agency than Baldelli or Caldwell. It's all just rumors and speculation but if they are makig room in their outfield one of the veterans will definately be traded, even though they are both still young as far as veterans are concerned.

Of course this fact totally discredits the trade i heard about which included Marlon Byrd. No way the D-Rays are interested in Marlon if Gathright is ready and if he isn't ready they aren't likely trading Caldwell or Baldelli, unless something bigger and more tempting was included in the deal. Which would likely mean something along the lines of say Brett Myers or Gavin floyd....i hope that isn't the case

[StevieBDunkNOnU]

Crawford and Baldelli will not be traded......Infact, they both are discussing long term deals right now. So it has nothing to do with Free agency.

[PhilaVa]

Philadelphia Phillies (85-75) v. Florida Marlins (82-78) 10/02/04

Utley
Michaels
Abreu
Thome
Bell
Burrell
Lieberthal
Perez
Milton

Eric Milton (14-5) 4.73 v. Josh Beckett (8-9) 3.87

[JWUGoalie26]

Any way Minnesota would trade Johan Santana to us this offseason? I mean I don't know baseball nearly like I do football and hockey...so I figured I'd throw it out there and see what you think. Could we package Howard, Floyd or Hamels, and someone else for him? He is the guy to get, I believe that he is a free agent after next season and would deffinately get big money...maybe Minny would be willing to do it for 2 prospects and possibly a 3rd player... But i think if we threw out a line up like...

Santana
Padilla
Wolf
Lidle
Meyers or Floyd (if not traded)

...we would have if not the best one of the 3 best rotations in baseball when healthy...I'd be so excited to watch the Phils, but I mean, I'm not sure that Minny would even concider a trade involving Santana...so...what do you all think?

[JRoll]

we would need to trade Howard, Floyd, Hamels, and Madson or Utley to get him. So hell no, we can't get him.

[asheylarry]

Any way Minnesota would trade Johan Santana to us this offseason? I mean I don't know baseball nearly like I do football and hockey...so I figured I'd throw it out there and see what you think. Could we package Howard, Floyd or Hamels, and someone else for him? He is the guy to get, I believe that he is a free agent after next season and would deffinately get big money...maybe Minny would be willing to do it for 2 prospects and possibly a 3rd player... But i think if we threw out a line up like...

Santana
Padilla
Wolf
Lidle
Meyers or Floyd (if not traded)

...we would have if not the best one of the 3 best rotations in baseball when healthy...I'd be so excited to watch the Phils, but I mean, I'm not sure that Minny would even concider a trade involving Santana...so...what do you all think?
Not a chance. I wish it were possible, but there's no way they will deal him.

[ole]

i'm a twins fan...santana is arbi-eligible. talk around here is signing him to 4-5 year deal for a healthy salary upgrade. he enjoys being here with his fellow countrymen from venuzuela (twins have the most venuzuelans in the mlb), so i believe he'll want to stay for a while. if he isn't locked down for a lengthy amount of time this off-season there will be anarchy in this state.

[thomeismyhomie]

Hey, we'll see who ends up in whos uni next year. If Philly wants Crawford or Baldelli, we'll get them cause the Devil Rays are a sorry excuse for a franchise. They are the Expos edition of 2004. They have talent, but they'd be better off in a city who wanted them.

[PhilaVa]

Hey, we'll see who ends up in whos uni next year. If Philly wants Crawford or Baldelli, we'll get them cause the Devil Rays are a sorry excuse for a franchise. They are the Expos edition of 2004. They have talent, but they'd be better off in a city who wanted them.

I agree, until the D-Rays actually step up and do sign these players we should all consider them free bait, thats the way of the world.

[The Greatest Poster Alive]

Howard is that 1b stuck behind Thome Right???? We already have a power hitting 1b..... and really don't need a DH because we have 4 or 5 outfielders we want to get AB's


Plus, Santana Is the ANchor of our rotation, and without him, the TWins are nothing..... If he gets traded, id hate the twins for the rest of my life....

[PhilaVa]

Howard is that 1b stuck behind Thome Right???? We already have a power hitting 1b..... and really don't need a DH because we have 4 or 5 outfielders we want to get AB's


Plus, Santana Is the ANchor of our rotation, and without him, the TWins are nothing..... If he gets traded, id hate the twins for the rest of my life....

Yeah, I think both Phil and Minny fans realize this would never happy, kinda a wet dream for us, and a nightmare for you all. I would say the Twins better re sign him before next year otherwise it will be a mess. I still cannot believe that they let David Ortiz leave, but then again he is fitting real well with the Red Sox.

Good luck in the playoffs, must be nice to have a team in the playoffs..sigh.

[The Greatest Poster Alive]

Yeah, I think both Phil and Minny fans realize this would never happy, kinda a wet dream for us, and a nightmare for you all. I would say the Twins better re sign him before next year otherwise it will be a mess. I still cannot believe that they let David Ortiz leave, but then again he is fitting real well with the Red Sox.

Good luck in the playoffs, must be nice to have a team in the playoffs..sigh.

The David Ortiz thing was because Doug Mientkiewicz was looking like a decent prospect, and Ortiz was always injured for us....the second he leaves, he plays great..... and stays healthy....

[PhilaVa]

The David Ortiz thing was because Doug Mientkiewicz was looking like a decent prospect, and Ortiz was always injured for us....the second he leaves, he plays great..... and stays healthy....

Yeah I know but I never though Doug was anything special offensively, and they end up trading him anyway, to the same team again, someone look into that, something funky going on between the Twins and Sox.

[thomeismyhomie]

I agree, until the D-Rays actually step up and do sign these players we should all consider them free bait, thats the way of the world.
I would love to have Crawford and JRoll at the top of this lineup. Abreu could end up with 200 RBI's.

[thomeismyhomie]

That is odd Phila. I never really realized that. JRoll hit the nail on the head. If we were to trade for anyone of any value, we would have to trade more than just one of our fab five. No way in hell Wade would part with more than just Howard for one guy, even someone as talented as Santana. Keep him and enjoy his success cause if he doesnt win Cy Young(as much as I love Schill) it would be a joke.

[JRoll]

AL Cy Young- Johan Santana
NL Cy Young- Roger Clemens

JMO

[thomeismyhomie]

AL Cy Young- Johan Santana
NL Cy Young- Roger Clemens

JMO
I agre. It just as easily could be Schilling and Povano. Clemens has the big edge cause of the playoff drive, but also his career may hurt him. They may give it to Povano cause Clemens has already gotten it so many times. Tat sounds dumb, but how else can you explain Bonds not winning MVP every year?

[PhilaVa]

I agre. It just as easily could be Schilling and Povano. Clemens has the big edge cause of the playoff drive, but also his career may hurt him. They may give it to Povano cause Clemens has already gotten it so many times. Tat sounds dumb, but how else can you explain Bonds not winning MVP every year?

Are you still drunk?

[StevieBDunkNOnU]

Hahaha, diss the franchise all you want. Cause obviously you dont know. But keep dreaming, cause you aint getting Crawford or Baldelli......

[PhilaVa]

Philadelphia Phillies (85-76) v. Florida Marlins (83-78) 10/03/04

Rollins
Polanco
Abreu
Thome
Bell
Michaels
Burrell
Pratt
Myers

Brett Myers (10-11) 5.53 v. A.J. Burnett (7-6) 3.74

[thomeismyhomie]

Philadelphia Phillies (85-76) v. Florida Marlins (83-78) 10/03/04

Rollins
Polanco
Abreu
Thome
Bell
Michaels
Burrell
Pratt
Myers

Brett Myers (10-11) 5.53 v. A.J. Burnett (7-6) 3.74
Are you watching Phila? Phillies.com shows Valdez as their starter today but I know they mess up sometimes.

[PhilaVa]

Hahaha, diss the franchise all you want. Cause obviously you dont know. But keep dreaming, cause you aint getting Crawford or Baldelli......

Is there something we are saying that is wrong? Until the D-Rays actually step up and sign their talent, people will think like this. Now I agree they will sign these players, but trust me, one of the three will not be a D-Ray in the near future, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was more then that.

[thomeismyhomie]

Is there something we are saying that is wrong? Until the D-Rays actually step up and sign their talent, people will think like this. Now I agree they will sign these players, but trust me, one of the three will not be a D-Ray in the near future, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was more then that.
Wow....an actual D-Rays fan. Are you the one we always see on Sportscenter actually at the game? By the way, is it necessary to type in that ridiculous orange 200pt. type?

[PhilaVa]

Wow....an actual D-Rays fan. Are you the one we always see on Sportscenter actually at the game? By the way, is it necessary to type in that ridiculous orange 200pt. type?

He is probably using the dark style, it works better with that font, I can't stand the dark style though. And Thome...be nice. D-Ray fans have hearts too.

But they would be able to sign some more players if the fans would show up more, although the management should show some faith before that will happen.

[thomeismyhomie]

Yeah, I heard that last night, it probably is Valdez, I just got it wrong, no big deal...I got the lineup off Yahoo and didn't think about it.

I'm watching the Eagles gamecast since I have the crappy Redskins on here though, I watched my final Phils game last night for this year.
Yeah, I hear ya. I have the MLB radio but never get to use it cause I work nights. Well, I just dont feel like listening today. The team makes me sad sometimes.

[thomeismyhomie]

He is probably using the dark style, it works better with that font, I can't stand the dark style though. And Thome...be nice. D-Ray fans have hearts too.

But they would be able to sign some more players if the fans would show up more, although the management should show some faith before that will happen.
I don't hate the fans. I hate it for the fans, I really do. It's like the Expos thing. I mean, Tampa gets all pumped up for their franchise joining the league, and noone shows up to support them. The D-Rays management has shown that it wants to build a winner. They have some seriously talented young kids on that team and I just hate it for them that noone shows up to support them, thats all. Why did Tampa get chosen in the first place? Florida draws zilch for fans and you gotta believe there were other cities in the running who would have given more to the team, win or lose. The excuse that the team stinks doesnt cut it with me. they should still be able to draw 15 thousand fans.

[StevieBDunkNOnU]

Yea i am using the dark style. It makes the regular fonts tiny. But anyways......

We havent had any players come through this franchise that would be worth signing. we have signed people to long term deals, and it didnt work out.

We just got through signing our best young hitter Aubrey Huff to an extenstion. Next is Rocco and Carl. Like i said before, i expect Gathright to be traded, because we dont have room....

[StevieBDunkNOnU]

I don't hate the fans. I hate it for the fans, I really do. It's like the Expos thing. I mean, Tampa gets all pumped up for their franchise joining the league, and noone shows up to support them. The D-Rays management has shown that it wants to build a winner. They have some seriously talented young kids on that team and I just hate it for them that noone shows up to support them, thats all. Why did Tampa get chosen in the first place? Florida draws zilch for fans and you gotta believe there were other cities in the running who would have given more to the team, win or lose. The excuse that the team stinks doesnt cut it with me. they should still be able to draw 15 thousand fans.

Its a matter of history. Our first couple years we drew fans. Now, never finishing out of last place, it wears on you as a fan. Finally we finished out of last place this year. We have the lowest payroll in the league, year after year. We dont have much to see except young players. That being said, i agree with you. Its pothetic there are more fans in the stands. Hell i live 30 miles away, and i got to 30 games a year. But i good thing about it is, i buy the cheapest seats, and sit front row on 1st baseline!!!!!

[PhilaVa]

Games Played
Bobby Abreu - 159
Jimmy Rollins - 154
David Bell - 143

At Bats
Jimmy Rollins - 657

Runs
Jimmy Rollins - 119
Bobby Abreu - 118

Hits
Jimmy Rollins - 190

Doubles
Bobby Abreu - 47
Jimmy Rollins - 43

Triples
Jimmy Rollins - 12

Home Runs
Jim Thome - 42

Runs Batted In
Bobby Abreu - 105
Jim Thome - 105

Total Bases
Bobby Abreu - 312
Jimmy Rollins - 299
Jim Thome - 295

Base on Balls
Bobby Abreu - 127

Strikeouts
Jim Thome - 144

Stolen Bases
Jimmy Rollins - 40

On Base Percentage
Bobby Abreu - .428

Average
Bobby Abreu - .301

I think we all know who our three offensive stars are on this team...

[JRoll]

didn't Thome hit 47 HR's last year? So he tied Schmidty for the team record this year?

[JRoll]

I just checked, Thome only had 42 round-trippers this year not 48, LOL. I'm surprised how many more AB's JRoll had than anybody else. He had Abreu by 83 AB's this year, LOL.

[JLove22]

I hope rollins keeps up what he is doing and takes it into next season, he would be huge at the top of the lineup playing like this next year and his gold glove d in the field

[thomeismyhomie]

I just checked, Thome only had 42 round-trippers this year not 48, LOL. I'm surprised how many more AB's JRoll had than anybody else. He had Abreu by 83 AB's this year, LOL.
Abreu walks a TON though, JRoll doesnt.

[PhilaVa]

I just checked, Thome only had 42 round-trippers this year not 48, LOL. I'm surprised how many more AB's JRoll had than anybody else. He had Abreu by 83 AB's this year, LOL.

No one said I was perfect.

[JRoll]

No one said I was perfect.
Well pobody's nerfect, LOL.

[JRoll]

Abreu walks a TON though, JRoll doesnt.
Bobby had 70 more walks than JRoll this year, WOW.

[thomeismyhomie]

Bobby had 70 more walks than JRoll this year, WOW.
Holy hell?! That's a crazy stat right there.

[PhilaVa]

Bobby had 70 more walks than JRoll this year, WOW.

Yeah, I put two or three guys down if the categories were close, David Bell in games played was to point out he played all year for us, and played well.

Why would you walk Abreu to get to Thome? That's how good Abreu is...

[JRoll]

Holy hell?! That's a crazy stat right there.
Here's another one, Abreu also had 23 more than Thome.

[PhilaVa]

The Season - Philadelphia Phillies, what on earth could this be about?

Did anyone know they were even doing this? Remember they did it with the Sixers during the Finals in 2001, should be a good watch...

[DaveBrownisgod]

My guess is it is to sum up the opposite of Billy Ball, you get to have the 3rd highest pay roll in the league and not make the playoffs.

Sorry, I am still a little bit bitter.

[PhilaVa]

My guess is it is to sum up the opposite of Billy Ball, you get to have the 3rd highest pay roll in the league and not make the playoffs.

Sorry, I am still a little bit bitter.

No, this isn't Phillies season in review, this is cameras follow the team around all year and now they show it to us after editing 80 hours of tape. We are all bitter, but how can you not watch?

[DaveBrownisgod]

No, this isn't Phillies season in review, this is cameras follow the team around all year and now they show it to us after editing 80 hours of tape. We are all bitter, but how can you not watch?
Oh, that's right I remember the one on the Ravens. I will be out, but I will probably watch it if they rebroadcast it.

[manny]

Bowa screaming, Bowa getting canned. That would be the fun part of this one.

[PhilaVa]

Oh, that's right I remember the one on the Ravens. I will be out, but I will probably watch it if they rebroadcast it.

No, I think the Ravens were on HBO, this is kinda the same thing but different, less structured but the same idea....I loved that Ravens thing on HBO, they did the Cowboys next year and haven't seen one since, wish they'd bring it back.

They did this with the Sixers when they went to the finals, I believe it was only 30 mins. long though..

[DaveBrownisgod]

No, I think the Ravens were on HBO, this is kinda the same thing but different, less structured but the same idea....I loved that Ravens thing on HBO, they did the Cowboys next year and haven't seen one since, wish they'd bring it back.

They did this with the Sixers when they went to the finals, I believe it was only 30 mins. long though..
I think that is about how long they were in the final series too.

I wouldn't mind seeing one again though, I am sure a bunch of people were saying how it cursed the team like SI does.

Everything blends together these days, it sucks getting old. I can't imagine what will happen when I start to get there.

[PhilaVa]

I think that is about how long they were in the final series too.

I wouldn't mind seeing one again though, I am sure a bunch of people were saying how it cursed the team like SI does.

Everything blends together these days, it sucks getting old. I can't imagine what will happen when I start to get there.

Hey, Game One was good enough for me in retro..spec...I guess.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing this, there are too many un answered questions, I'd love to get a look into the Phils locker room attitude.

[DaveBrownisgod]

Hey, Game One was good enough for me in retro..spec...I guess.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing this, there are too many un answered questions, I'd love to get a look into the Phils locker room attitude.
Actually I would be curious to see the locker room myself. I was just kidding about the finals though, after they took game 1 I thought for sure they were going to upset them, and I thought some questionable calls cost them game 2. I just am not a big basketball fan any way. Sorry I am getting off topic.

[PhilaVa]

Actually I would be curious to see the locker room myself. I was just kidding about the finals though, after they took game 1 I thought for sure they were going to upset them, and I thought some questionable calls cost them game 2. I just am not a big basketball fan any way. Sorry I am getting off topic.

I was happy after Game 1, I was happy with the series as a whole, they played well, there is no way they were going to win that series, Game one was great, in LA, AI was wonderful.

Its' ok, off topic is not a big deal, making four or five different threads off topic is a problem, never feel you have to apologize for anything here.

Basketball is four on my list of pro sports, even behind Hockey, even though we won't be seeing those chumps this year.

I'm not sure what the cameras caught, but I guess we will find out tonight. I'm sure we'll get some soundbites from Bow.

[brgood]

Well guys last post for the night for me, but I wanted to get your thoughts on these ideas I have been throwing around the last couple of weeks, Ryan Howard is going to be put in the outfield during winter ball if he proves that he can play out there does this free up the possiblity for a Burrell trade over the winter. I would love to see Burrell moved to the A's for Barry Zito who had an off year and while we are at it lets get Mark Kotsay to patrol center field for us, of course we include either Padilla or Wolf into the deal and another prospect to make it work out. We need a number one starter, a guy that can take the lead for this staff which is still young and prone to mistakes. The Dodgers need a catcher and Lieberthal picked up his numbers in Sept to make out for a decent year and maybe we can possbily deal him to the Dodgers for some arms. The bullpen for next season is going to be one of the best pens in Baseball next year provided we have a healthy Billy Wagner back next season, with FROD and Madison we almost have the equivelent of the Angels mighty pen. We loose Millwood unless he agrees to come back for four million less than what he was paid this year and we definatly let Milton walk, we resign Lidle on the cheap and he wants to stay here which is an added bonus, that would make our rotation look like the following Zito, Millwood, Myers, Wolf or Padilla and Lidle. The A's need offense and the Phillies can provide a man capable of hitting 40 per year when healthy who is still relatively young and can protect Chavez in the line up, in return we get a great young arm who has already won a CY-Young and who maybe needs a change of uniform to get back to his winning ways. Offensively we hold onto to Howard with Abreu and Kotsay in center with Michaels as the forth outfielder, defensively we have Kotsay and Abreu two of the better outfielders in the game and of course a defensive liability in LF with Howard but if Bull could play out there so can Howard. I would love to see the team resign Polanco in case David Bell reverts back to the David Bell of old, its also nice to have a guy like Polanco on the bench to spell Utley and Bell when you need him, We would of course have to sign a free agent catcher and I would make the full court push to sign Jason Varitek the guy is a winner, he handles the staff right something we have not had since Dutch left and he can provide some pop from both sides of the plate. Then you have a line up of

SS-Rollins
CF-Kotsay
RF-Abreu
1B-Thome
3b-Bell
LF-Howard
2b-Utley
C-Varitek
3b-Polanco or Bell

this line up looks great to me now I have no idea if this could happen but I would love to see it, up the middle Kotsay is a hell of a center fielder and Polanco is an insurance policy in case Utley cant handle being an everyday player, Rollins is a gold glove SS and Bell we all know can play better defenesively at 3B. Let me know what your thoughts are, Got another convoy tommorow to the Green Zone, so I will not be able to read your posts until Thursday. You guys have a good one.

Brad

[PhilaVa]

I like what you are thinking, but I'm not sure that it will happen. I actually think we aren't going to make many moves other then our mangerial change. Michaels and Howard will be given shots at the OF, Michaels may end up in center if Byrd does not show up next year again.

We are going to find a lot about our team in spring training as far as Howard and Michaels and Bryd. I don't think the A's would take Burrells contract, but if the Phils ate some of it, they might well do it. I agree we need an ace of the staff and I have also heard that Lieberthal may be leaving us, but for now I'll assume that he will be back.

My lineUp for next year as of right now...

Rollins
Baldelli
Abreu
Thome
Bell
Michaels
Burrell
Lieberthal

My Starting rotation as of right now...

Wolf
Padilla
Floyd
Myers
Lidle

But I have a feeling Wade will be dumb and resign Milton. If Milton or Millwood come back it better be for at least half of what they are making now, that's all I have to say about that.

Bullpen, I agree will be the best in the league...

Tele
Lidle (If we get another starter)
Jones
FRod
Madson
Worrell
Wagner

Obviously the roster is not complete, we'll do something more complete with each player and position as we get further into the off season.

[PhilaVa]

Man, can't believe I forgot to watch, only going to see the last ten mins.

Oh well, going to have to watch it on a rerun or something like that.

[JLove22]

jw, how do you see us getting baldelli?

[PhilaVa]

jw, how do you see us getting baldelli?

I would just like to have him here, very unlikely of happening, but I see us making one big move, either for a pitcher or a bat. Baldelli 'May' be available, it's not going to happen but that was my one move for the team. We traded Howard and Michaels for him. LoL...

[Invader Newt]

The A's ownership is smart but notoriously cheap, the phillies would have to eat about half Burrells contract and take Zito's to make that trade happen. The Phillies willingness to move Burrell and/or pick up any portion of his contract revolve around one of two things. Either their ability to get another marquee outfielder such as signing Beltran, or Ryan Howard making a smoothe transition to the outfield. Signing BEltran would make the likelyhood of the phillies eating burrells contract not likely. I feel the Phillies will be quiet in the free agent market and will TRY to be loud in the trade market.

I see possibilities of the Phillies trading, Padilla, Howard, Burrell, Myers or Wolf

I see the phillies possibly resigning both Milton or Millwood (for the right price) and Lidle and trading either wolf, myers or Padilla

I see the phillies attempting to trade Burrell, after aquiring another outfielder and giving Michaels a shot in left if Howard can't hack it there. or giving michaels a shot in center if they aquire a corner outfielder or no outfielder

I see the lineup being
Rollins
Michaels
Abreu
Thome
Utley
Burrell
Bell
Lieberthal
Pitcher

sadly don't see much changing here with there will be attempts made at signing Beltran but the phils will not have the money unless they trade Burrell and don't resign Milton or Millwood. There willalso be attempts made to sign or trade for a center fielder. Polonco could come back as a super Utility guy. Rumors have Lieberthal being traded and the Dodgers seem a good fit but the Phillies would then need another catcher and with them not likely to raise the payroll Lieberthal is probably here next year.

Rotation
Wolf
Padilla
Lidle
Myers
Floyd

I see Wade being dumb and feeling he has to sign Milton, and also taking a shot on Millwood much to the chagrin of phillies fans. If he lets Lidle walk it would be the biggest mistake he's made. I honestly see the phillies being pretty quiet as far as actually getting people, they figure to be in the hunt for alot of people but being also rans in the negotiations. The Zito trade is interesting and i think the A's would be open to a trade from the phillies but Burell probably won't be involved. If the Phillies trade Burell it's going ot be to a team that has no problems raising their payroll AND needs an outfielder.

Bullpen
Telemaco
Madsen
Worrell
Jones (probably)
Cormier
Rodriguez
Wagner

The only thing i see happening here is the possibility of not signing jones. If Cormier retires jones will probably be back and someone else not named Roberto Hernandez will be brought in. If Cormier stays then Jones may or may not be back depending on who is available on the free agent market or as a throw-in in a trade. yeah the bullpen looks solid a closer and 5 guys who can act as a setup man, 4 of those guys are over 30 though 3 of them over 35 and injuries can be killer.

My lineup was very conservative no new players really, but i feel the phillies will be conservative as well unfortunately

[thomeismyhomie]

The thing of this is, there's no way anyone is going to take on Burrell. We made the bed, now we have to sleep in it. Hope he can bounce back. I loved the way J-Mike played down the stretch after settling in to his role, however if we get a shot to get Crawford or Baldelli, or even Gathright, I think Wade goes after them. We need some more speed at the top of the lineup. I want to see us trade Howard for Zito, I have said that tons of times. However if we could get Crawford for Howard, I think we do that in a heartbeat. I still think that we may be able to get Gathright for less than Howard though so it's possible we could have both Gathright and Zito on the team next year. Here's what I want to see.

Rollins
Gathright(depending on whether Gathright can handle the leadoff spot)
Abreu
Thome
Bell(I wish I could put Lowell's name here, but Bell is solid)
Utley
Burrell
Lieberthal

bench:
Ledee
J-Mike
Pratt
Polanco(hope)
Perez
Byrd will be out cause he will be involved in a trade as well

Our staff:
Zito
Padilla
Wolf
Floyd
Lidle

Myers moves to the pen or we could possibly work him in to the Zito or Gathright trade. Milton does not get resigned if we get Zito. Our pen:

Telemaco
Todd Jones
Cormier
Worrell
Madson
FRod
Wagner

If Cormier retires, we obviously go after another lefty. I dont know guys, I'd be able to handle that. Then we have:

Hargrove
Manuel(hitting)
LA(pitching, seems to be a popular choice)
Varsho
Thompson
? Vuke will be gone so we'll need a 3B coach, maybe get Dutch or Nails invovled in the game somehow.

[thomeismyhomie]

Sorry guys....I accidently included InvaderNewt's post in mine.

[thomeismyhomie]

Do not open until: Among Gavin Floyd's momentos from his first month in the Major Leagues is a bottle of champagne.

The label had the date "Sept. 3, 2004" -- the date of his first win -- and "299 more to go" written on the other side. Each of his teammates and coaches autographed the bottle, which he plans to open when he reaches that milestone. "That will be sweet," he said


Gotta love the confidence in this kid. Good for him.

[PhilaVa]

Sorry guys....I accidently included InvaderNewt's post in mine.

Its cool, I edited it, and Newt and I seem to be on the same page so far....we will definetly go over this again later in the off season after we start to mold the 2005 team together.

One thing I don't agree with is that trading Wolf or Padilla, we need to hold on to both of them.

[PhilaVa]

Do not open until: Among Gavin Floyd's momentos from his first month in the Major Leagues is a bottle of champagne.

The label had the date "Sept. 3, 2004" -- the date of his first win -- and "299 more to go" written on the other side. Each of his teammates and coaches autographed the bottle, which he plans to open when he reaches that milestone. "That will be sweet," he said


Gotta love the confidence in this kid. Good for him.

Sounds like a great sign to me, something this organization has been lacking for about 12 years now.

[thomeismyhomie]

Its cool, I edited it, and Newt and I seem to be on the same page so far....we will definetly go over this again later in the off season after we start to mold the 2005 team together.

One thing I don't agree with is that trading Wolf or Padilla, we need to hold on to both of them.
no doubt. We saw how much they meant to our staff when they weren't around. No way we let them go.

[PhilaVa]

no doubt. We saw how much they meant to our staff when they weren't around. No way we let them go.
I think we are all waiting for both of them to reach their full potential also...

[asheylarry]

Forget Zito, it's not gonna happen. All of you expecting a name or names like that this offseason are going to be sorely disappointed.

[PhilaVa]

Forget Zito, it's not gonna happen. All of you expecting a name or names like that this offseason are going to be sorely disappointed.

I agree, I don't see us making many moves other then resignings and our pending managerial change. How long do you guys think before they name some one? After the WS?

[PhilaVa]

If anyone sees when this is going to re-air, please post it here, b/c I do not see it anytime before Friday.

[thomeismyhomie]

I agree, I don't see us making many moves other then resignings and our pending managerial change. How long do you guys think before they name some one? After the WS?
In the past we have typically made moves in November and December. I believe there are owners meeting during both months. I also think that we will be wheeling and dealing this offseason. Maybe not like past years, but I honestly think there is going to be a deal between us and Tampa Bay. The Zito thing is possible but more of a hope, the D-rays thing is a strong possibility.

[Invader Newt]

As far as trading Wolf Padilla or Myers. Padilla especially has so much potential but he is a bit of an enigma. He has games where he can't be hit and then he has games where it looks like he's thinking about what he's going to wear the next day. Myers is similar, a new pitching coach would probably do wonders for both of them, i am a little more hesitant to trade myers because he is younger but if it gets something we need they can be considered expendable especially if we get a pitcher in return OR if we resign Milton and Lidle which i think may happen. Unless we get something like Zito Wolf won't be going anywhere, he'd be our staff ace even if we get Milton and Lidle back.

I think a team could be interested in Burrell, but it would take the right deal/situation and either Burrell willing to restructure his contract (not happening) or the Phillies eating a portion of Burrells contract which could happen depending on the amount and what the trade includes

I am of the belief that the phillies are going to want to at least interview a few coaches that are on playoff teams, so unless they had a big name guy in mind already, you won't see a manager hired untill after the world series

Also don't count out the possibility of the A's trading Zito, they have been trying to trade him already...chances are he might not go to the phillies but he still could be traded and just may find his way into red pinstripes.

[PhilaVa]

It's all about Movement with Padilla, if he has it, he is unhittable...if he doesn't, it's like he is throwing BP..

[MarkTheShark]

Sorry if I'm covering old ground, but this is the first time I've posted to this forum.
Anyway, I'm really not upset that Bowa got axed, since there's been enough complaints coming from the players over the years, that I have to think where there's smoke, there's fire.
But how the fuck Ed Wade keeps his job is a mystery. The guy has made almost nothing but bad, or insignificant trades since he's been here. The only "positive" thing he's done was to spend the Phils money in the off-season. Hell, give ME the checkbook, and I can sign Jim Thome too.
This man is a pathetic excuse for a GM, and as long as he's calling the shots, our chances of ever winning anything are slim and none.
And slim just left town.

[Y.O.M.]

Sorry if I'm covering old ground, but this is the first time I've posted to this forum.
Anyway, I'm really not upset that Bowa got axed, since there's been enough complaints coming from the players over the years, that I have to think where there's smoke, there's fire.
But how the fuck Ed Wade keeps his job is a mystery. The guy has made almost nothing but bad, or insignificant trades since he's been here. The only "positive" thing he's done was to spend the Phils money in the off-season. Hell, give ME the checkbook, and I can sign Jim Thome too.
This man is a pathetic excuse for a GM, and as long as he's calling the shots, our chances of ever winning anything are slim and none.
And slim just left town.
I don't like Wade either. I really don't. But don't be too hard on him. We were ALL excited about Wagner, and he would have been a great pick-up, except for his injuries and slumps. No one could have predicted that. He did bring in Thome. I think this year he tried a little. Not near enough, but a little.

The point here is....Wade isn't going anywhere. We have to face that. So what we need is a Head Coach that is inspiring, knowledgable, and has the ability to tell Wade when he's being an idiot. We really do have the talent on this team, they just someone respectable to play for. Here's to hoping Wade can bring someone like that in.

[DaveBrownisgod]

I agree we are stuck with Wade, but I don't have to like it. He brought in some good players in the offseason, but good GM's are generally defined by midseason moves that catapult the teams into the playoffs or break the teams. Wade didn't seem to make an effort and left us with Paul Abbott and didn't make a move when the team realized that he was not a major league pitcher and we needed one for several weeks while our staff kept getting hurt. And now Bowa is saying that the Phils lied about things, I know who I believe.

[MarkTheShark]

I agree we are stuck with Wade, but I don't have to like it. He brought in some good players in the offseason, but good GM's are generally defined by midseason moves that catapult the teams into the playoffs or break the teams. Wade didn't seem to make an effort and left us with Paul Abbott and didn't make a move when the team realized that he was not a major league pitcher and we needed one for several weeks while our staff kept getting hurt. And now Bowa is saying that the Phils lied about things, I know who I believe.
I didn't see the Bowa quotes (can you post a link?) but you're absolutely right about Wades pennant-drive moves. This year we got Paul Abbott, Corey Lidle, Todd Jones and FRod.
Last year he pulled off a killer move getting Mike Williams.
The year before he swindled the Mets out of Turk Wendell and Dennis Cook.
I'd like to play Wade in Texas hold em'. He'd pussy out every time you'd go "all-in".

[DaveBrownisgod]

I didn't see the Bowa quotes (can you post a link?) but you're absolutely right about Wades pennant-drive moves. This year we got Paul Abbott, Corey Lidle, Todd Jones and FRod.
Last year he pulled off a killer move getting Mike Williams.
The year before he swindled the Mets out of Turk Wendell and Dennis Cook.
I'd like to play Wade in Texas hold em'. He'd pussy out every time you'd go "all-in".
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/baseball/9844933.htm
This is tha article where Bowa says how deceitful the team was. I also posted an article by the one of the Inquirer's columnists whi did what I thought was a great commentary. For anyone interested in picking up the papaer it has some really good Bowa coverage today, he has the whole cover of the Sports page.

[MarkTheShark]

Thanks for the link.

[DaveBrownisgod]

Thanks for the link.
No problem, really makes me wonder if I can watch another game as long as these frauds own this team, breaks my heart to say.

Wade must go.

[JWUGoalie26]

I'm really excited for this offseason...although some think think its goning to be relatively quiet i think the opposite...Wade's feelin the heat...this year he had a crutch named Bowa...next year the crutch is gone...he's gonna try and go all the way this year...I'm excited for what could happen...theres alot of good posibilities out there...if you all could try and post even the little things that are rumored on CSN etc. because I'm now off at College in RI and all I ever hear about is The dumb Pats, The curse and how they're gonna break it this year, Fuk the Yanks, and Pedro.....I'm goin crazy....HELP ME!!!! I need Philly sports...and how come I never get Rep points??? I'm hurt.....jk...thanks guys!!!

[thomeismyhomie]

Ahhh....Bowa is just pissy. In what way are they frauds? Cause they told him a decision wanst made when it probably was. So what? Thats the way life goes sometimes Bowa, get over it. I really didnt care for his comments about selling the farm and I'll tell you why: (Eagles fans should know this as well) We have real young talent on this team. Talent that is capable of leading us to the playoffs for years to come. Why would you give that up? Me personally, I would rather us have a good shot for the next ten years, than having one great shot this year. We all know our farm system stinks outside of the fab five so why the hell would we trade any of them. Not making the big trade was the best move Ed Wade ever made.

[thomeismyhomie]

I'm really excited for this offseason...although some think think its goning to be relatively quiet i think the opposite...Wade's feelin the heat...this year he had a crutch named Bowa...next year the crutch is gone...he's gonna try and go all the way this year...I'm excited for what could happen...theres alot of good posibilities out there...if you all could try and post even the little things that are rumored on CSN etc. because I'm now off at College in RI and all I ever hear about is The dumb Pats, The curse and how they're gonna break it this year, Fuk the Yanks, and Pedro.....I'm goin crazy....HELP ME!!!! I need Philly sports...and how come I never get Rep points??? I'm hurt.....jk...thanks guys!!!
You gotta be more active to get rep points. The more you post, the better chance someone will see it and give you rep. I too am excited cause we are going to see some changes. I do not expect to see Ryan Howard or Marlon Byrd on our team next year, and Brett Myers may not be far behind. But, thats just me.

[Invader Newt]

Bowa's comments were directed at the fact that Wade consistantly refuses to trade "the future" for today. But how he managed to rape our farm system this year and somehow come away with nothing. We have alot of young talent on the team, but the past two years of wade's trades have left our once stocked farm system barren, and outside Wagner and F-rod there is nothing to show for it. He refused to go after big names with big name prospects and instead traded all the other prospects for duct tape and mirrors. Look at our farm system, coming into last year we had projected major league players at every level. we have maybe three or four total above Class A now and thats including Howard and Floyd. You don't win for the next ten years by having 4 or 5 projectable major league players in your famr system, the phillies built this team with a complete minor league overhaul. At the time we drafted Cole Hamels we were probably in the top 5 as far as how stocked our system was, now we are in the bottom half of the league

Unless we go through a season virtually injury free and all the players play up to their potential (which almost never happens one or two players always have down years) we are not going to win with Ed Wade as the GM. A good GM will prevent a team from losing due to injuries, thats part of their job. Wade can draw up a nice blueprint but he can't handle making adjustments on the fly, he'd be an awesome assistant GM but sucks as a GM.

[thomeismyhomie]

Yeah, but when we drafted Hamels, we had Utley, Floyd, Howard, and Madson in the minors, along with the guys we traded to get Wagner. I dont think our system was being judged as being thorough, we just had more "can't misses" than most. All I know is that we were smart enough to draft these guys so why cant we do it again. I'd rather see this group of young guys here for the next decade, rather than Randy Johnson here for a few months, thats all.

[JLove22]

Yeah, im excited as well, looking forward to changes and getting my hopes up once again

[SU Nittany Tide]

Is Larry Bowa a guest anchor on Baseball tonight for today.....I promise you wont get any good solide incite out of him.

[JRoll]

Is Larry Bowa a guest anchor on Baseball tonight for today.....I promise you wont get any good solide incite out of him.
As assistant vocabularian, I feel I have to correct you on this. It's insight, not incite. And to get back on topic, Bobby Valentine was a regular on BBTN and Kruk IS a regular on BBTN.

[StevieBDunkNOnU]

LOL! My first thought was the same thing. "Why is Bowa on there, he doesnt know anything about baseball!".

hahaha, although i dont fully know him as im not a phily fan, but i felt like i would amuse my self.

[JLove22]

actually i thought he did a pretty good job, i mean i like larry bowa, im glad they invited him on there, good for him

[SU Nittany Tide]

As assistant vocabularian, I feel I have to correct you on this. It's insight, not incite. And to get back on topic, Bobby Valentine was a regular on BBTN and Kruk IS a regular on BBTN.
I'm gonna kick your ass jroll....I used to be a very good speller until I came to an engineering school. Seriously it takes away from it when all you are worried about is equations and computers. But then again I'd rather be a professional computer engineer than be able to spell i