September 20, 2004 - Philadelphia Eagles vs. Minnesota Vikings

[sully]

This is the thread for discussion of Monday Night's game between the Vikings and Eagles.

[sully]

And with both forums connected, let the discussion begin!

[Les Miles' Hat]

Damn it Vikes, hold TO to less than 15.8 points (as calculated by my other mega league).

[Ryno]

as a packer fan i think not only should i abstain from joining this conversation, maybe i should just go bowling tonight or something.

LOL

:rolleyes:

[jcarm22]

And with both forums connected, let the discussion begin!
Just want to hear what Vikes fans think they have to do to win. I've got my keys posted here (http://www.sports-boards.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2907)

[Cappy]

Vikes 34 Eagles 28 in close one.

[sully]

I will give some thoughts later, just before gametime. I have to go to work, and I'll probably be back just in time for the game.

[LuvdaFan36]

Im still taking the eagles, not because im a packer fan, i just think they have the better team, and its not much better but better nonetheless.

Ill take philly in a squeaker

PHI 34
MN 31

McNabb 21-32 275 3TDs 1 INT
DC 26-38 335 3TDs 0 INTs

TO 8 for 105 2 TDs
RM 10 for 130 2 TDS

[Pecahead]

I got Philly with a 31-21 win (we will NOT kick a FG from less than 35 yards with Mortamore). I'm really pumped about the TO/84 interface. Minny fan, Philly fan, football fan in general, you gotta watch this game tonight.

[mjdvikejag]

luvda: what gives? I thought I saw one of your posts on the old board saying that you agreed the Vikes would win.

[Purple Gorilla]

Just want to hear what Vikes fans think they have to do to win. I've got my keys posted here (http://www.sports-boards.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2907)
The keys to this game are...

#1 - Ignore the Moss - Owens debate and give the ball to Onterrio and Mewelde...we need to establish a good run game.

#2 - After that, we need to go deep and test the Eagles secondary...are they worse without Vincent and Taylor, some think yes, some think no...the only way to find out for sure is to send KC, M-Rob, or Moss deep on them.

#3 - Stop the Eagles from running the ball...for everything our secondary isn't, it is a ball-hawking secondary. If you pass the ball 40+ times on this defense we will come away with some turnovers (as evidenced last week...2 forced fumbles after completed passes, caused by hard hits)

#4 - One big kick or punt return...this is going to be a close game and something like this could be just enough to swing things in our direction.

Overall, I look for a very good, exciting, and hopefully injury free game.

SKOL VIKES!!!

[Pecahead]

Watching the 90 minute pre-game show, I actually have butterflies in my stomach for the first time since the 2000 NFC Champ. game. Hopefully this turns out a little better.

[BF4MVP]

i should be here for most of the night.... i promise ill be fair and give good input, but please dont report me if i get kinda excited when philly scores, ok? ;)

[Les Miles' Hat]

i should be here for most of the night.... i promise ill be fair and give good input, but please dont report me if i get kinda excited when philly scores, ok? ;)


realize then that when other posters not of Packer fandom do the same in Packer gameday threads that the same rules apply...;)

[BF4MVP]

realize then that when other posters not of Packer fandom do the same in Packer gameday threads that the same rules apply...;)hey ive never complained.... and whos not of packer fandom? and how can they not be? :rolleyes:

[Les Miles' Hat]

hey ive never complained....


yeah, but now that you know, you can remind people of it.

[sully]

Ooo... Looks like the game is about to start!

[BF4MVP]

i love the whole MNF experience... its just so cool...

[BF4MVP]

how can madden be so pro packers one week, then completely switch gears to being pro vikings.... its a complete contradiction, i dont care how much they pay you, u cant promote both. Its illegal.

[sully]

If I have to suffer a little pain before the game for a win, it's worth it. Last week before the Cowboys game, I had a nosebleed, and we know how that went.

Now I've got a throbbing headache.

*Being superstitious*

[BF4MVP]

If I have to suffer a little pain before the game for a win, it's worth it. Last week before the Cowboys game, I had a nosebleed, and we know how that went.

Now I've got a throbbing headache.

*Being superstitious*
u have no idea sully.... im as superstitious as they come... The brett jersey thats about 4 sizes too small (bought in the almighty year of 1996), the cheesehead (bought at lambeau in 1996), the title towel (1996) the zoobaz pants (remember those?? 1995) and then we're ready for gametime

[rotary]

Hello, everybody.

Ready to give my 2 cents worth on tonight's game. Well, maybe 50 cents worth.

Eagles 30
Vikings 28

[sully]

I'm actually wearing the same stuff I did last week...

Brian Williams game worn jersey, purple mesh Vikes shorts...

And hey! Randy Moss is gonna be miked up tonight!

[BF4MVP]

look at that folks.... we started out better than philly did last year... and people are counting us out already...

[BF4MVP]

I'm actually wearing the same stuff I did last week...

Brian Williams game worn jersey, purple mesh Vikes shorts...

And hey! Randy Moss is gonna be miked up tonight!
would it not be amazing to have him AND owens miked up on the same night?

[UofMVikesfan]

why would Packer fans want to post here now? This is a Vikings/Eagles game thread. Wierd.

[BF4MVP]

hey im not here to troll, just to talk about the game. Theres no other game to be watching... so this is THE gameday thread. I wont be a nuisance.

[rotary]

Vikings look very sharp early.

They run misdirection very well.

[UofMVikesfan]

well, who will you be cheering for?

[BF4MVP]

philly obviously.... you cant ask me to cheer for the vikes, thats like me asking you to cheer for the pack... it just wont happen. 12th man coming into effect i see, crowd gets loud on 3rd down. Old Mort still has the range, 3-0 vikes.

[sully]

Well, this is the NFL General Discussion board. Anybody can post here, we're not segregated by forums as much as ESPN is.

[rotary]

If my presence on this game thread is obtrusive, I will go.

But my comments are strictly limited to the football game and not anything else.

[UofMVikesfan]

Vikes up 3-0. I think this will be a "who scores last wins" type of game. So far the eagles are playing catch up.

[sully]

And the kick is good!

Morten Andersen 42 yard field goal!

Vikings lead 3-0.

[BF4MVP]

If my presence on this game thread is obtrusive, I will go.

But my comments are strictly limited to the football game and not anything else.

ditto. If im distracting or annoying in any way, please let me know and ill refrain from posting on this thread.

[sully]

If my presence on this game thread is obtrusive, I will go.

But my comments are strictly limited to the football game and not anything else.

You're more than welcome here. The only stipulation is that the discussion focus on the game. There are no exclusions depending on fan base.

[UofMVikesfan]

Vikes on defense, this is where I usually cringe.

[BF4MVP]

Vikes up 3-0. I think this will be a "who scores last wins" type of game. So far the eagles are playing catch up.
after watching impressive offensive performances from both teams last week... this could be like colts-chiefs in the playoffs last year. Very, very few punts and alot of scoring. It will be interesting to see with two primetime receivers in the game how the enforcement of the rules are used.

[sully]

The Vikings need to get pressure early and often. If they do that, McNabb could get antsy in the pocket like he did on first down and then start throwing skipping stones instead of passes.

[rotary]

McNabb's lack of accuracy will come into play once or twice tonight.

[BF4MVP]

hey sully or UofMVF, who was it that got hurt in warmups last week?? Will it have a big affect on the play of this defense?

[sully]

Ken Irvin - Ruptured his achilles. His presence will be missed, but we did sign Terrence Shaw to take his place, so it won't be as big of an impact, as Irvin was our nickel back anyway.

[BF4MVP]

fundamental breakdown by claiborne... coulda held that play to a yard or less. Usually he makes that tackle, nice move by westbrook though.

[rotary]

Philly having some early success in short passing game and some nice running after the catch.

[BF4MVP]

DORSEY GETS A TOUCH!! sorry a little tear came to the eye right there.... back to the game

[UofMVikesfan]

This is the type of defense we saw all the time last year. We stop them until they get into third and long, then we blow it. I thought it was supposed to change?

[Pecahead]

Where the hell was the hold of Winfield? And that ruins any chance of punt.

[rotary]

Phantom call right there.

I know that things happen so fast and we're seeing it in slow motion, but sometimes I wonder just what exactly the officials see.

[BF4MVP]

This is the type of defense we saw all the time last year. We stop them until they get into third and long, then we blow it. I thought it was supposed to change?
that will come with time... theres surely enough talent on this defense they just need to gel. If it doesnt happen by midseason i think coaching will be at fault. A double sweet TD for LJ, hes on my sports boards fantasy team as well

[sully]

McNabb pass complete to L.J. Smith for 11 yards. Touchdown.

Pending the PAT, Eagles lead 7-3.

[UofMVikesfan]

DAMN! Well, we need to come RIGHT BACK!

[UofMVikesfan]

I think the D coach needs to gel with the players too. Our D hasn't had a chnace to get to know the D co-ord. very much. He is new this year too.

[BF4MVP]

look for the vikes to move this ball downfield with authority. The came out alright in their first possession, just couldnt finish the job. I'd think they'd counter the eagles TD with one of their own.

[UofMVikesfan]

I sure HOPE so!

[Pecahead]

Here in NY, they hated Cotrell and were glad to get rid of him. But I guess thats an upgrade for us.:rolleyes:

[LuvdaFan36]

luvda: what gives? I thought I saw one of your posts on the old board saying that you agreed the Vikes would win.


LOL, if politicians can flip flop then so can I!

[UofMVikesfan]

we're going the wrong way!

[Ryno]

LOL, if politicians can flip flop then so can I!

ahhh, BUSTED luvda !

LOL

:D

[sully]

Blatant holding call gives us a first down. Lucky break!

On a side note, Richard Owens looks pretty good early.

[BF4MVP]

vikes were able to overcome the penalty. impressive.

[sully]

I see they jumped offsides and it wasn't called, but we got the first down anyway, so screw 'em.

[BF4MVP]

wow was their one eagle that didnt bite on the fake during the end around??

[BF4MVP]

just an observation... why would moss take that ball out of bounds. Why not turn upfield and get some extra yards?

[sully]

Stat of the first quarter:

Terrell Owens - 0 catches, 0 yards, 0 TDs.

[UofMVikesfan]

I like to see the Vikes being patient. keep the eagles D on the field as much as possible.

[sully]

I think he tried to when he did that little juke, but realizing he wasn't going to get much and already having the first down he headed for the sideline to avoid an unnecessary hit/injury.

[Pecahead]

just an observation... why would moss take that ball out of bounds. Why not turn upfield and some extra yards?
Come on, there wasn't anywhere to go. Maybe if he had another blocker, but what would he have gotten? 1 or 2 extra yards?

[LuvdaFan36]

ahhh, BUSTED luvda !

LOL

:D



I always get caught :(

[UofMVikesfan]

it didn't look like Moss could get much more, why risk an injury?

[UofMVikesfan]

wow a flag not on us! COOL!

[sully]

Wait a minute... Culpepper scrambles for "no gain" and it registers as a sack for Kearse, but K. Williams last week sacks Testaverde for a loss when he leaves the pocket, yet isn't credited for a sack... Wha?

[BF4MVP]

wow impressive goal line D showing by philly. Only one more down needed. This could bite Minny in the ass if they dont score

[UofMVikesfan]

I didn't care for the playcalling down there at the goal line. But, we'll be back there again MANY times tonight!

[Pecahead]

BULLSHlT! Unacceptbale. ridiculous. i dont blame tice for kicking. they cant get it in 3 times, why would they get it on the 4th. idiots.

[sully]

The kick is good, but when you have first and goal from the two with our offense and you aren't getting 6, that's pathetic and inexcusable. The O better be getting chewed out there.

That being said, Eagles lead 7-6 following Morten Andersen's 19 yard field goal.

[LuvdaFan36]

Hell of a goal line stand for philly, DC gets dangerous with that much open green in front of him, im surprised he didnt get in

[BF4MVP]

The kick is good, but when you have first and goal from the two with our offense and you aren't getting 6, that's pathetic and inexcusable. The O better be getting chewed out there.

That being said, Eagles lead 7-6 following Morten Andersen's 19 yard field goal.

just be thankful u didnt hand it to smith, who gets stripped by their MLB and then dawkins picks it up and runs 95 yards for a TD, now THAT would suck, wouldnt it? :o

[rotary]

Putting the kids to bed. All I heard was that on 4th down and inside the 3(?), and they elected to kick the FG.


Agree or disagree?

[sully]

Yep, that's about right.

And Owens makes his first catch of the game.

[UofMVikesfan]

agree, on the road you go for the FG.

[Ryno]

Putting the kids to bed. All I heard was that on 4th down and inside the 3(?), and they elected to kick the FG.


Agree or disagree?
agree.
1st quarter put the easy points on the board.

[sully]

Holy crap! We stopped them on 3rd down!

Time for a field goal...

...

Kick is good. Eagles lead 10-6.

[UofMVikesfan]

now we need to score a TD and run the time out on the clock. The Eagles get the ball 1st in the 2nd half. We can't let them score and then get the ball right back again after the half.

[rotary]

3 straight NFC games on Monday Night to start the season.

Interesting, considering that by most accounts the AFC is the dominant conference.

Must be a lot of AFC games on the horizon.

[sully]

From what I've heard, Rosenthal (Who left earlier) has a sprained right foot. I'll see what else I can find out in the meantime. I may sit this series out since this headache isn't getting any better.

[BF4MVP]

at least they were fair by taking away JKs sack on the "no gain" run for culpepper

[sully]

WTF was Daunte thinking? that was a very, VERY bad throw by Culpepper. He is incredibly lucky it wasn't picked off.

[rotary]

Vikings got away with one right there. Very dangerous pass.

[LuvdaFan36]

From what I've heard, Rosenthal (Who left earlier) has a sprained right foot. I'll see what else I can find out in the meantime. I may sit this series out since this headache isn't getting any better.



have a gin and tonic, twist of lime

[rotary]

No way luvda, Jack Daniels on the rocks.

[sully]

FUMBLE! If they don't challenge, it's Vikings football.

[sully]

I saw a couple of Eagles touch it. Does that mean it's first down for us, or do they actually have to be in possession of the ball for that to take effect?

[LuvdaFan36]

No way luvda, Jack Daniels on the rocks.


You cant water down a good whiskey!

[rotary]

Considering the amount of humanity on top of the football, that was a really early call by the head linesman on ruling possession of the fumble.

[sully]

I guess that answers my question :)

[rotary]

You can't soak good gin in soda, either. :)

[rotary]

Hey, Sully, is there any way I can lock in my font size and color instead of having to do it every time I post?

[sully]

I'm working on it, rotary. Hopefully I'll be able to get something implemented in the future.

[UofMVikesfan]

BTW, the Twins just won the division!

[sully]

I saw the little ticker thingy on the TV. Good for the Twins! :D

[UofMVikesfan]

I like to soak it in cider.

[sully]

Be sure to watch the halftime show, they did a documentary on Tice leading up to the game for halftime, as I recall.

[Domino427]

Yo guys. I won't get too many posts in, as I don't have a TV in this same room, and my bro has been on the computer. Decent game so far. Not too suprised that it's not as high scoring as most thought.

Moss does a lot of talking, but he's afraid to take a hit. I saw him duck out of bounds like 3 or 4 times when an Eagle came within like 1-2 yards. Aren't good team players supposed to try and gain as many yards as possible? Only QBs should be running out of bounds because they are so vital to a teams success, and in many cases (althogh this game is def an exception), the QBs are pretty fragile.

Go Eagles!!!!

[rotary]

Oh, okay. I was just wondering.

I wasn't complaining or anything, its just that when I need to post something fast, going through the routine of always having to do it, gets old.

No biggie.

[UofMVikesfan]

mike just said "lets go for it!"

[UofMVikesfan]

I read his lips! Did anyone else see it?

[rotary]

Gotta go for it. Let Culpepper fall forward.

A no-brainer if there ever was one. Minnesota needs to put 7 on the board.

Philly gets ball at start of 2nd half.

[Domino427]

damn. now we need another goalline stand.

lets hold em to 3 boys!

[sully]

Moss does a lot of talking, but he's afraid to take a hit. I saw him duck out of bounds like 3 or 4 times when an Eagle came within like 1-2 yards. Aren't good team players supposed to try and gain as many yards as possible? Only QBs should be running out of bounds because they are so vital to a teams success, and in many cases (althogh this game is def an exception), the QBs are pretty fragile.
IMO, that's the logic of a Moss-hater (Not saying you are, but that's their logic). Randy Moss is the most vital part of our offense. You'll see a lot of WRs run out of bounds. I've seen Moss do it, I've seen Holt do it, I've seen Harrison do it, etc.

If he already has the first down and knows he can only get maybe 1 or 2 yards, it's not THAT big of a deal if he runs out of bounds. I'm willing to give up a couple of yards for a healthy Randy Moss.

[rotary]

More misdirection.

That's been open all night for Minnesota.

Wow. This is big.

[Domino427]

HELL YES!!! Big fumble. HUGE recovery!!!

[rotary]

Nate Wayne having a big impact on a Monday Night game . . . again.

I don't think he got it over.

[sully]

Dammit, Daunte! You just cost us a chance to take the lead!

*Thoroughly pissed*

[Domino427]

I agree to some extent. While I wouldnt wanna see TO get knocked out, it still shows desire. It does depend on the situation. But how bout a fake and picking up an extra 4 or 5? Just an observation. I've always hated it when a player ducks out of bounds. I just dont see where a star should really be an expception, unless he has a lingering injury.

[Pecahead]

That Son of a bit¢h! He had the god damn TE WIDE F'N OPEN and he decides t run. god damniT!!!!!!!!

[LuvdaFan36]

That Son of a bit¢h! He had the god damn TE WIDE F'N OPEN and he decides t run. god damniT!!!!!!!!



I think peca just blew a gasket, someone call 911

[rotary]

Another game where it looks like a for sure touchdown for a team, and a fumble thwarts it.

Deja vu. :(


I was wondering who was on the horse trailer from last week's game.

[Pecahead]

I'm actually a DC supporeter but that play was awful. He tried to do too much and got burnt.

To make matter worse, Tim Speedle just got whacked on CSI: Miami

I need a drink.

[LuvdaFan36]

I'm actually a DC supporeter but that play was awful. He tried to do too much and got burnt.

To make matter worse, Tim Speedle just got whacked on CSI: Miami

I need a drink.


At least it wasnt the blonde chick

[Pecahead]

At least it wasnt the blonde chick
Ture dat. I've been switching back and forth (even though im TIVOing both). I get too caught up in these dramas sometimes, and football games.

[Purple Gorilla]

Yo guys. I won't get too many posts in, as I don't have a TV in this same room, and my bro has been on the computer. Decent game so far. Not too suprised that it's not as high scoring as most thought.

Moss does a lot of talking, but he's afraid to take a hit. I saw him duck out of bounds like 3 or 4 times when an Eagle came within like 1-2 yards. Aren't good team players supposed to try and gain as many yards as possible? Only QBs should be running out of bounds because they are so vital to a teams success, and in many cases (althogh this game is def an exception), the QBs are pretty fragile.

Go Eagles!!!!
Moss made a comment about that during an offseason interview. He says he does it to get into the heads of the opposing defenders. They are so key on hitting him and then he steps out of bounds, it frustrates them, and they're easier to burn deep because of their frustration.

That's what Randy said anyway.

[LaPs]

I was wondering who was on the horse trailer from last week's game.



There wasn't one

Don't think they are doing that this year

[rotary]

I really miss the halftime show with Frank Gifford from the ESPNZone from Baltimore from a couple of years ago when the kicked ol' Frank to the curb . . . [sarcasm] hahahaha!!!


Wow. This halftime piece on Tice is rather fascinating. Surprised that they let the bit about Hovan in there.

[Purple Gorilla]

DC should have just thrown that ball...TE was wide open...sometimes he tries to do too much.

THAT being said...not a bad first half..I'm a little worried that Philly gets the ball first, we sure haven't stopped them so far, other then the one fumble caused by our secondary.

IF we can stop them on their first drive look for a long pass to start our first drive..try and open things up a bit...we need some points.

[Purple Gorilla]

OH....by the way....

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/images/standings/magic_numbers/y2004/min_2.gif

Congrats Twins!

[Purple Gorilla]

Holy shit....my fiancee just got off the phone with her sister....our nephew and his dad were just in a car accident...not sure how bad it is...going to the hospital now...keep updating the game...I'll have to check it when we get back or maybe it'll be on at the hospital if we're waiting around for news...

[UofMVikesfan]

Thats right PG, back to back to back AL Champions! Good job Twins!

[UofMVikesfan]

hope everything turns out well PG.

[BF4MVP]

Holy shit....my fiancee just got off the phone with her sister....our nephew and his dad were just in a car accident...not sure how bad it is...going to the hospital now...keep updating the game...I'll have to check it when we get back or maybe it'll be on at the hospital if we're waiting around for news...
wow i sure hope everythings alright PG

[sully]

Holy shit....my fiancee just got off the phone with her sister....our nephew and his dad were just in a car accident...not sure how bad it is...going to the hospital now...keep updating the game...I'll have to check it when we get back or maybe it'll be on at the hospital if we're waiting around for news...
Oh my, that's not good! Let's hope they're all right.

I'll stay up as long as I can to keep up to date on the game.

Maybe the Vikings will win it for them! :)

[LuvdaFan36]

Holy shit....my fiancee just got off the phone with her sister....our nephew and his dad were just in a car accident...not sure how bad it is...going to the hospital now...keep updating the game...I'll have to check it when we get back or maybe it'll be on at the hospital if we're waiting around for news...


Take care purple

[rotary]

Hope all is well, PG.

[BF4MVP]

lmao, madden couldnt make it through the game without a favre reference/comparison... what else is new

[rotary]

Don't think that play is designed to go back to McNabb.

Have never heard of that rule. But, then again, how often does this situation come up.

[sully]

What a horrible play for the defense. That's simply unacceptable.

Eagles lead 17-6.

[rotary]

Vikings have nothing to feel bad about defensively, there.

McNabb just made a great play. Can't do nothing about that except say, "yup, he got us."

[BF4MVP]

TD McNabb!

[Domino427]

I'll keep your family in my prayers PG.

[UofMVikesfan]

ok, thats it! I put on my "lucky" hat! GO VIKINGS!

[rotary]

Sully, gap responsibility was held, everybody was covered downfield.

Just a sick play by McNabb.

[Domino427]

I just couldnt do this on that same post.

way to go McNabb. Wooo-hoooo!

[sully]

After seeing a few years of opposing players with nothing but green field on the camera, it's almost instinctive to get on the defense early and easily.

[Domino427]

Okay, I'm goin back to the game. Later guys!

one more time....
E-A-G-L-E-S....EAGLES!!!!!

[rotary]

Madden just beat me to my post.


Throw deep to Moss.

[BF4MVP]

ok, thats it! I put on my "lucky" hat! GO VIKINGS!
LOL did you read the mini convo between me and sully earlier.... i need my brett jersey, the cheesehead, the title towel as well as numerous other pregame routines.

[sully]

They looked offsides again, but that could've been me. Perhaps they're just really quick off the ball.

[Domino427]

I just throw on the my Green Dawkins Jersey and get myself ready to start yellin at the TV.

At least now there's less yelling to do than the 3-13 season. LoL.

[rotary]

Why not throw one deep to Moss, right now?

Or is that too transparent?

[rotary]

Big penalty right there.

A drive that had all the looks of a touchdown scoring drive thwarted by a penalty.

Looks like deja vu, again.

All within the span of 24 hours.

[BF4MVP]

ok... im headed out... gonna watch the game from the comfort of my own bed. you guys enjoy the rest of it. Have a good one.

GO PACK! (sorry to non packer fans, its my customary departure note every night :) )

[Pecahead]

And another redzone oppurtuinty squashed. When will they learn? Bad play by Birk but he gets a mulligan from me cause he's probably one of the best C's in the game today. Need a stop. If they score a TD then it's probably over.

[rotary]

Hell, there still only down by 8. I've seen enough of the Vikings to know that a score can come quickly and from anywhere on the field.

[sully]

This headache is NOT getting any better. I'm getting carted off to the shower, then possibly to bed. My status for the rest of the game is doubtful.

[rotary]

Not because of a questionable groin, is it Sully? :)

[SiouxDoo]

Just got back. What the hell is goin on here?! Where the hell is the O?

[Domino427]

Game lookin good for us Eagles. But I'm off for the night as well. Finishin up some schoolwork, then gettin some sleep as soon as the game is done. Good night all.

LETS GO EAGLES!!!!

[SiouxDoo]

7 catches by Wiggie?! Why the HELL is Haayer in the damn game?!

[rotary]

This game is FAR from over. Don't understand why all the pessimism. Granted the Vikings have been held out of the end zone, but they're still only 1 score down.

I guess the only thing I would question would be the lack of hardly any shots downfield. I know I've said this before, but they should take a shot downfield to Moss at least 3 times a half. Penalty or catch, don't matter.

[rotary]

Ankle injury to Rosenthal. Will not return, obviously.

[SiouxDoo]

Get FUCKING HAAYER out of the game!!!!!! WHERE the hell is dorsey?

[SiouxDoo]

That a way Campbell!

[rotary]

That was a huge play. Made a big throw there.

[SiouxDoo]

DAMN INJURIES!!! OK, I'm done for now. I promise.

[rotary]

Can there be any type of pass interference on an uncatchable ball?

[SiouxDoo]

Bah. I guess the flag's better than a pick.

[SiouxDoo]

I think the defender had somewhat of a chance.


BTW, how important is Jimmy K to our O?

[SiouxDoo]

Dugan, buddy. I know you're not supposed to be startin tonight, but come on man.

[sully]

OK, I'm feeling a little better, just not about our chances the way our offense has sputtered.

We need a stop and we need Daunte and the O to step up for any sort of chance at tying, let alone winning.

[rotary]

Big miss.

Has Kleinsasser been put on IR or are they still waiting and seeing how the knee heals?

Still looked like the pass into the end zone was well out of bounds.

Lot of mistakes to end that drive.

[sully]

Can there be any type of pass interference on an uncatchable ball?
Well, if it's Randy Moss, then yes.

Otherwise, no.

[Pecahead]

We should get get a kicker for outside duties only. Morten is done. 44 yard outside a good (younger) kicker makes. The only way we win is stopping them, a TD and a 2 point conv. Not likely.

[sully]

I don't know about Jimmy's status. I think it depends on Jimmy, whether he wants to let it heal then play or opt for season ending surgery.

[SiouxDoo]

Where's Dontarrious Thomas?

[SiouxDoo]

Holy shit. I think I'm going to have another drink.

[rotary]

Did he have control after he hit the ground?

[Pecahead]

Goodnight.

[trinity4u]

damn i love monday nite football!

touchdown philly!!

[rotary]

Man, I don't know bout that TD. Looked like he was juggling a little all the way to the ground, then gained control after he was on the ground and on the white sideline.


Maybe its my eyes, again.

[SiouxDoo]

OMG!!!!! That was NOT a TD!!

[SiouxDoo]

Of all the plays Tice challenges, he doesn't challenge one that would bring a TD back.

[sully]

Did he have control after he hit the ground?
You bring up a good point, rotary, and they're talking about it now on MNF.

I hate to whine about the officials, but the Eagles are getting a LOT of lucky calls in their favor.

That being said, we aren't doing much to help ourselves out, either. Anywho, I'm gonna try to sleep this headache off now.

[rotary]

Hey, trinity. How's it on the left coast?

[rotary]

Just watching that on tv, it was obvious. How can the side judge not see it being 2 feet from it and how does the Viking coaching staff up in the box not see it!!!

Not a very good game all-around for the Vikings.

[Ryno]

you know tice is yelling at the official but it's not the ref's job to tell him to challenge.
i sure don't blame him for being mad. wow.
i think whoever's job it IS to tell tice that is gonna be in big friggin' trouble after this is over.
SHEESH !!!


:eek:

[SiouxDoo]

Question for those who know the Vikes from last year, and have seen this whole game: Have we gone to the conservative road game plan that kicked us out of the playoffs last year? It's hard to tell from what I've seen.

[rotary]

Yeah, Ryno, there is going to be some big time a$$ chewing!!

Its just inexcusable to not get the word down to Tice.

Unbelievable.

Then again, the Vikings really shouldn't even be in this game at this point. Way too many penalties.

[SiouxDoo]

Richard Owens and Jeff Dugan suck. I want Klein, Wiggie, and Angulo, DAMNIT!

[rotary]

Well, they haven't even attempted to go to Moss long, I believe.

However, they've only run the ball 11 times, I think. So its a question of perception on what conservative is.

[SiouxDoo]

Umm...when we go conservatice, it's kind of like a run & shoot O. Lots of short passes, and runs. So, yeah, we probably have been conservative.

[Domino427]

If you take a look at the replay in slow-mo, TO actually had possession for just a sec. Right before he hit the ground. Then when his body made contact w/the ground, he juggled the ball a little. So it's really a debatable call. But he did have it for just a sec.

Goodnight.

[SiouxDoo]

Any info on Dontarrious Thomas?

[SiouxDoo]

Yes, EJ! Big play.

[rotary]

JayGlow, that was no catch! The nanosecond that Owens had it. was immediately negated when he bobbled it when he was on the ground and out of bounds.

He has to have possession when he lands. And in no way did he have that! How the official, who is standing right there, can't see that is beyond me.

Of course, how the VIkings coaching staff didn't get that play reviewed is beyond my limited means of comprehension.

[SiouxDoo]

Well, we're going to get a shot.

[SiouxDoo]

Ah, forgot about the FG.

[SiouxDoo]

It's over. Good game Eagles. Horse shit game, Vikes. That leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

[UofMVikesfan]

It's ok guys. We'll beat these guys in the NFC Championship game. I'd rather win then!

[rotary]

A touchdown for the Vikings would put a smile on the face of "sports investors" who had the Vikings getting 3 1/2.

[Purple Gorilla]

Thanks for all the well wishes guys...I'm going to be getting to bed here, but I will give everyone a quick update.

Nephew and his dad are ok.

Long story, but I'm not up to typing it out right now...will let everyone in on it tomorrow.

BTW...Vikings really cost themselves a victory tonight..was able to catch bits and pieces in the hospital waiting room...

Philly did just enough not to lose. Bad coaching, bad play-calling, one bad play by DC, and HORRIBLE special teams....all that leads to a loss....

WHY OH WHY do the Vikes get so conservative on the road...it's like we're two different teams.

Oh well....a week two loss on the road can't get a guy down too much, we just need to rebound and beat Chicago going into the bye.

[rotary]

Glad to hear it PG!

One word of advice on playing the Bears next week: Don't dismiss them as a win. Packer fans speak from experience.

[Bump]

If you take a look at the replay in slow-mo, TO actually had possession for just a sec. Right before he hit the ground. Then when his body made contact w/the ground, he juggled the ball a little. So it's really a debatable call. But he did have it for just a sec.

Goodnight.

LOL come on man. That was NOT a catch. period. rules of the game is the reciever has to demonstrate and maintain possesion when he comes down. In this case, he came down before the goalline, then bobbled, then slide out of bounds, then on top of that the tip of the ball hit the ground. no catch....in slo-mo

I'm a lions fan and also a Don and TO fan, so of course I was rooting for Philly. But I call it like it is. I doubt you'd analyse it the way you did had it been Moss instead of TO. assuming you're a Philly fan. I don't see how you can look at that in slo-mo and say it was a TD. even if he did have it for a split second and there was no demonstrate/maintain possesion rule, his knee STILL touched down before the bobbled ball crossed the goal line after his body went out of bounds. More wrong than right happened on that 'catch'.

doesn't matter. minn didn't challege and it counts. Minn's fault. Not Philly's. To be fair, it did look legit going at live speed. it wasn't until seeing the replay that I said "WHOOOOA, hold on now....". Point is, Minn's guys in the both should have seen the same thing we saw in slo-mo and called for a review. They didn't. Their fault.

That said, I'm glad Philly won. Lions are alone at the top of the NFC North. Even a loss to Philly this sunday would keep them at least tied for first. still early, but it feels good as a Lions fan.

[Domino427]

I don't believe I ever said it def was a TD, but I said it was open to interpretation. I was basically playing the Devil's Advocate (which for some reason I seem to enjoy), and yea, I was trying to come up with an excuse to make it a TD.

But, what I was sayin was that he grabs the ball out of the air, bobbles it a little. As he's coming down he has a grip on the ball w/his fingertips for a split-second. Then, when he hits the ground, he bobbles it again. Remember, the ground can't cause a 'fumble'.

It's not a big deal, cuz its over & done with. Just giving you a dif insight.