Who's dick did Coach K suck to get Duke to a 1 seed?

[kydoty]

Unfuckingbelievable.

[JRoll]

A SOS of 4 with only 5 losses.

[Pitpen]

I thought I hated Duke more than anyone else on these boards.

[illinibearscards]

I agree, but they won the ACC tourney. If anyone of the big three hasn't looked good lately, it's UNC.
God I hate Duke though.

[PhilaVa]

Hate hate hate, who should be a 1 over them?

[kydoty]

Hate hate hate, who should be a 1 over them?
*cough* Wake Forest *cough*

[Pitpen]

*cough* Wake Forest *cough*
An argument could be made for Wake, I suppose.

They did lose in the ACC tournament without their best player.

[PhilaVa]

*cough* Wake Forest *cough*So you'd have the team with 5 losses that lost in the quarterfinals of the ACC tournament a number one over the team with 5 losses that won the ACC tournament?

Add that to...

SOS

Wake - 15
Duke - 4

RPI

Wake - 7
Duke - 5

The only thing that is unfuckingbelievable is your hate for duke.

[I Roll Hard]

So you'd have the team with 5 losses that lost in the quarterfinals of the ACC tournament a number one over the team with 5 losses that won the ACC tournament?

Add that to...

SOS

Wake - 15
Duke - 4

RPI

Wake - 7
Duke - 5

The only thing that is unfuckingbelievable is your hate for duke.
You go girl.

[asheylarry]

So you'd have the team with 5 losses that lost in the quarterfinals of the ACC tournament a number one over the team with 5 losses that won the ACC tournament?

Add that to...

SOS

Wake - 15
Duke - 4

RPI

Wake - 7
Duke - 5

The only thing that is unfuckingbelievable is your hate for duke.
this is the same rpi that had the pac-10 as the #2 conference.

[Pitpen]

Raise your hand if you think Wake would have lost with Paul in the lineup.

[Fan]

Nobody's answered the title question.


I thought you guys followed east coast basketball pretty closely.

[Pitpen]

Nobody's answered the title question.


I thought you guys followed east coast basketball pretty closely.
Dick Vitale.

:) ?

[PhilaVa]

Raise your hand if you think Wake would have lost with Paul in the lineup.
To NC State? Maybe...

To Duke? Less Maybe...

Factor in he was sitting because he punched a man in the balls for no reason, they should be at least a 5 seed if that's their so called 'leader'

[Pitpen]

To NC State? Maybe...

To Duke? Less Maybe...

Factor in he was sitting because he punched a man in the balls for no reason, they should be at least a 5 seed if that's their so called 'leader'
I think they would have beaten NC State and Duke. I don't know what everyone sees in Duke. Do they play that much better against opponents that aren't Maryland?

[asheylarry]

I think they would have beaten NC State and Duke. I don't know what everyone sees in Duke. Do they play that much better against opponents that aren't Maryland?
no. they'll lose to mississippi state.

[Pitpen]

no. they'll lose to mississippi state.
I was hoping they'd lose to Delaware State.

[PhilaVa]

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~cms223/hateraid.gif

[Pitpen]

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~cms223/hateraid.gif
I'm far from hating Duke. My first few posts after the brackets came out defended Duke as a 1 seed. I even called other posters Duke haters.

[brainstew]

It doesn't matter. Syracuse will beat them in the sweet sixteen.

[I Roll Hard]

Syracuse will be lucky to make the 2nd round.

[JLove22]

wow i cant believe the duke hate on this board, just look at the numbers people, if any team didnt deserve a #1 seed it was washington, why is no one complaining because they are blinded by hate.

[Morgasm]

Whatever coach K. did, it was enough to keep the officials from calling "over the back" on Williams after that free throw miss. He shoved the defender with his elbow all the way under the basket. Not to mention the foul called FOR Duke when Reddick threw his defender out of the way for the ball a few plays earlier...

[Pitpen]

wow i cant believe the duke hate on this board, just look at the numbers people, if any team didnt deserve a #1 seed it was washington, why is no one complaining because they are blinded by hate.
You obviously missed my Washington thread...and my posts that defended Duke as a 1.

[Pitpen]

Whatever coach K. did, it was enough to keep the officials from calling "over the back" on Williams after that free throw miss. He shoved the defender with his elbow all the way under the basket. Not to mention the foul called FOR Duke when Reddick threw his defender out of the way for the ball a few plays earlier...
I thought he went straight up, however, I was slightly put off by the hand on the goofy whited dude's shoulder on the play.

[brainstew]

Whatever coach K. did, it was enough to keep the officials from calling "over the back" on Williams after that free throw miss. He shoved the defender with his elbow all the way under the basket. Not to mention the foul called FOR Duke when Reddick threw his defender out of the way for the ball a few plays earlier...
In order to beat Duke, the opposing team not only needs to beat the actual Duke team, but also the officials. Its ridiculous.

[JRoll]

In order to beat Duke, the opposing team not only needs to beat the actual Duke team, but also the officials. Its ridiculous.
Hater.

And I'm a Maryland fan too.

[JLove22]

You obviously missed my Washington thread...and my posts that defended Duke as a 1.
well besides you and a select few, everyone hates duke

and you guys can go on and on about the officiating but you have no proof, stats, or anything that proves they get more calls then anyone else. Officials make calls, sometimes they are wrong, shit happens just because it is in dukes favor it all of a sudden becomes duke getting all the calls.

[Morgasm]

I thought he went straight up, however, I was slightly put off by the hand on the goofy whited dude's shoulder on the play.
I saw his one elbow shoving the guy forward...

Allowing his other arm to easily tip the ball in. Not that they would have tied it up, but when someone gets good position on you for a rebound, you can't just shove the guy out of the way. Unless you're Duke.

And yes, that was one gumpy and goofy white dude.

[Pitpen]

well besides you and a select few, everyone hates duke

and you guys can go on and on about the officiating but you have no proof, stats, or anything that proves they get more calls then anyone else. Officials make calls, sometimes they are wrong, shit happens just because it is in dukes favor it all of a sudden becomes duke getting all the calls.The semi-finals the year before MD won the championship was the worst officiated game ever. The refs handed Duke the game.

The championship was the second worst officiated game ever.

I'm not saying this is the exception or the rule, but it did happen and it was sickening.

[JLove22]

I saw his one elbow shoving the guy forward...

Allowing his other arm to easily tip the ball in. Not that they would have tied it up, but when someone gets good position on you for a rebound, you can't just shove the guy out of the way. Unless you're Duke.

And yes, that was one gumpy and goofy white dude.
he went up for the rebound and he tipped it, if he had grabbed it i could see maybe over the back but come on people ronald mcdonald is over 7 ft tall, its hard to go over his back, shelden just got position and tipped it in

[brainstew]

The semi-finals the year before MD won the championship was the worst officiated game ever. The refs handed Duke the game.

The championship was the second worst officiated game ever.

I'm not saying this is the exception or the rule, but it did happen and it was sickening.
The realness keeper is finally being real.

[Morgasm]

shelden just got position and tipped it in
Shelden didn't have any position. His guy had him on his back, Shelden pushed him forward. When you push someone, its a foul. I realize that the game is more physical, and especially in the last few moments in a game, but just b/c one guy is stronger than the other doesn't mean he should be allowed to push his man out of the way.

That said, that big white dude was weak, there is no way you should get shoved around by a smaller guy.

I'm no Duke hater, they always play a smart game and play great D. But, that was a foul.

[JLove22]

Shelden didn't have any position. His guy had him on his back, Shelden pushed him forward. When you push someone, its a foul. I realize that the game is more physical, and especially in the last few moments in a game, but just b/c one guy is stronger than the other doesn't mean he should be allowed to push his man out of the way.

That said, that big white dude was weak, there is no way you should get shoved around by a smaller guy.

I'm no Duke hater, they always play a smart game and play great D. But, that was a foul.
i didnt see his hands go outstretch at all and push him, he simply jumped and tipped the ball in, same thing happens on almost every rebound, players bump and lean to get position and box out, no ref would ever call that a foul in that situation

[PhilaVa]

Whatever coach K. did, it was enough to keep the officials from calling "over the back" on Williams after that free throw miss. He shoved the defender with his elbow all the way under the basket. Not to mention the foul called FOR Duke when Reddick threw his defender out of the way for the ball a few plays earlier...
That's funny, I didn't see the game...but I did see that play and it looked like Luke could have been called for a backwards bearhug on Sheldon, that man has some talent, fucking stretch armstrong.

[Y.O.M.]

In order to beat Duke, the opposing team not only needs to beat the actual Duke team, but also the officials. Its ridiculous.
If ever there were a statement of truth, this is it.

[jcarm22]

To NC State? Maybe...

To Duke? Less Maybe...

Factor in he was sitting because he punched a man in the balls for no reason, they should be at least a 5 seed if that's their so called 'leader' If by no reason, you mean "the fans were talking shit about his grandpa being beaten to death", I can see your point.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/11088536.htm

[PhilaVa]

If by no reason, you mean "the fans were talking shit about his grandpa being beaten to death", I can see your point.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/11088536.htm
Yeah, because when fans talk shit about my dead granpa it automatically makes me want to go punch a man who had nothing to do with it in the nuts. Fuck Paul, that is just not excusable what so ever.

[PhilaVa]

If ever there were a statement of truth, this is it.
Thats just not true however considering Duke has been knocked out of the tournament twice since the turn of the century on bad officiating.

[Y.O.M.]

Thats just not true however considering Duke has been knocked out of the tournament twice since the turn of the century on bad officiating.
I remember those games pretty well, and while the officiating surely wasn't stellar, I also remember Duke wasn't playing their kind of basketball either. In both instances Duke was outplayed, and the officiating really played a small role. I'm going purely off of memory here though, but I'm pretty sure that's how it went down. I remember specifically last year I believe thinking "wow...Duke is being completely taken out of their game".

[jcarm22]

Yeah, because when fans talk shit about my dead granpa it automatically makes me want to go punch a man who had nothing to do with it in the nuts. Fuck Paul, that is just not excusable what so ever. Right, because the guy who he vented his frustrations at was probably not laughing along with those hecklers, and adding in his own twist to the heckling.

I'm glad you're able to keep a rational perspective on this. Do I fault Paul? Absolutely. Is Hodge guiltless? Probably not.

[PhilaVa]

Right, because the guy who he vented his frustrations at was probably not laughing along with those hecklers, and adding in his own twist to the heckling.

I'm glad you're able to keep a rational perspective on this. Do I fault Paul? Absolutely. Is Hodge guiltless? Probably not.
So all of this is conjecture on your part? Do you always fabricate things to make your point valid?

By the way, what is your point...I don't care what Hodge did, Paul showed what he is all about in that game.

[jcarm22]

So all of this is conjecture on your part? Do you always fabricate things to make your point valid?

By the way, what is your point...I don't care what Hodge did, Paul showed what he is all about in that game. No, I'm just saying that he's heard heckling from fans before, but this is the first time he's punched a guy in the nuts on the court. Feel free to draw your own conclusions.

[PhilaVa]

No, I'm just saying that he's heard heckling from fans before, but this is the first time he's punched a guy in the nuts on the court. Feel free to draw your own conclusions.
I won't say Hodge didn't do anything, but the fact remains talk is a part of the game, every and any game. You take it to another level when you throw cheap shots like that, class...less.

[jcarm22]

I won't say Hodge didn't do anything, but the fact remains talk is a part of the game, every and any game. You take it to another level when you throw cheap shots like that, class...less. I don't agree with what Chris Paul did either, but this is now a far cry from the "unprovoked" attack you accused him of making earlier this evening.

[PhilaVa]

I don't agree with what Chris Paul did either, but this is now a far cry from the "unprovoked" attack you accused him of making earlier this evening.
Yet, I've heard nothing from Paul on the subject...about what exactly provoked him to punch a man in the balls why he wasn't looking. I'm not totally ignorant to the fact that something may have happened but I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know something did.

[jcarm22]

Yet, I've heard nothing from Paul on the subject...about what exactly provoked him to punch a man in the balls why he wasn't looking. I'm not totally ignorant to the fact that something may have happened but I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know something did. What incentive does Paul have to comment on the situation? It was a mistake, he was punished for it, and it hurt his team in the long run. If I were Chris Paul, I'd be doing everything in my power to move on from the incident as well.

http://sports-boards.net/forums/showpost.php?p=378688&postcount=14

On one hand, Paul punched a guy "for no reason". Now something may have happened to provoke Paul? I didn't see the game, only the replays on the web. All I'm going to say is that he's been heckled by the fans before on numerous occasions, but this was the first time he punched a guy in the nuts. I can't say that Hodge did say anything, but I smell a rat.

[PhilaVa]

What the fuck are we arguing about, Jebus.

[asheylarry]

Whatever coach K. did, it was enough to keep the officials from calling "over the back" on Williams after that free throw miss. He shoved the defender with his elbow all the way under the basket. Not to mention the foul called FOR Duke when Reddick threw his defender out of the way for the ball a few plays earlier...
the refs are coach k's most reliable 6th man.

[JLove22]

the refs are coach k's most reliable 6th man.
got anything to back that up??

[asheylarry]

got anything to back that up??
you got anything to discredit it?

[JRoll]

you got anything to discredit it?
You made the point, the burden of proof is on you, not JDawk.

[asheylarry]

You made the point, the burden of proof is on you, not JDawk.
incorrect.

[JLove22]

incorrect.
usually helps prove your point if you provide evidence

btw how many duke games have you watched this year?

[asheylarry]

usually helps prove your point if you provide evidence

btw how many duke games have you watched this year?
countless thousands.

[JLove22]

countless thousands.
man i thought they only played 30 this year

[brainstew]

got anything to back that up??
The 2001 semis and finals for starters.

[PhilaVa]

Duke was knocked out of the tournament twice since 2000 by bad officiating, I'm sure you all were there talking about how Duke gets all the calls then too, I mean right...?

[BambinoBear]

got anything to back that up??
Maybe the jizz on coach k's blue suit............ oh wait, that was something totally different...

[JLove22]

The 2001 semis and finals for starters.
right so what was the foul differential? Did the refs say they were calling the game in favor of duke?

I could also say calhoun has the refs as a 6th man because of last years final four game, or that gary williams does because of a game earlier this year, but i find that shit stupid to claim because refs call games, they arent perfect calls go in favor of each team, sometimes refs call it tight which effect the way a team plays because they play a physical game which results in more fouls called

[brainstew]

The refs last year also tried as hard as they could to get Okafor in foul trouble.

[asheylarry]

man i thought they only played 30 this year
i fail to see the significance of the number of duke games i've watched.

[JLove22]

The refs last year also tried as hard as they could to get Okafor in foul trouble.nope

[brainstew]

Okafor played only 22 mins and was called for some cheap early fouls. If it wasn't for Boone cleaning up on the glass, UConn would have been beaten soundly.

[JLove22]

i fail to see the significance of the number of duke games i've watched.
ha your kidding right because if your gonna make a claim like that i would atleast hope you are basing your point on more then just a few games

[JLove22]

Okafor played only 22 mins and was called for some cheap early fouls. If it wasn't for Boone cleaning up on the glass, UConn would have been beaten soundly.
apparently you missed the number of fouls called on duke down the stretch resulting in shelden and shav fouling out, and during that same stretch okafor never picked up that 5th foul

[asheylarry]

ha your kidding right because if your gonna make a claim like that i would atleast hope you are basing your point on more then just a few games
i'm sorry i didn't realize there was a min. requirement for games watched in order to state an opinion.

[asheylarry]

apparently you missed the number of fouls called on duke down the stretch resulting in shelden and shav fouling out, and during that same stretch okafor never picked up that 5th foul
what the hell difference does it make if shavlik randolph is in foul trouble? the guy is terrible.

[JLove22]

i'm sorry i didn't realize there was a min. requirement for games watched in order to state an opinion.
no but it helps because it doesnt make sense to just throw an opinion out without witnessing it

[brainstew]

They fouled out on legitimate calls because they couldn't handle UConn's more talented big men. Okafor's were touch fouls.
And Williams and Randolph didn't mean as much to Duke as Okafor meant to UConn.

[JLove22]

what the hell difference does it make if shavlik randolph is in foul trouble? the guy is terrible.
man, yeah was playing very well in the tournament last year, also i would say he is a giant step up from having nick horvath in the game

[PhilaVa]

Okafor played only 22 mins and was called for some cheap early fouls. If it wasn't for Boone cleaning up on the glass, UConn would have been beaten soundly.
If it wasn't for the Refs they wouldn't have advanced at all.

[JLove22]

They fouled out on legitimate calls because they couldn't handle UConn's more talented big men. Okafor's were touch fouls.
And Williams and Randolph didn't mean as much to Duke as Okafor meant to UConn.
ha no way, who is a more capaple back ups boone and villenauva or horvath, i think the absece of williams and randolph hurts duke more then okafor because of depth

[asheylarry]

no but it helps because it doesnt make sense to just throw an opinion out without witnessing it
well i get espn, espn2, abc, cbs, jefferson pilot, and sunshine, so i've seen enough.

[JLove22]

well i get espn, espn2, abc, cbs, jefferson pilot, and sunshine, so i've seen enough.
if you say so

[asheylarry]

if you say so
well unless there's a duke basketball television network, i'd love to know where else their games are televised.

[JLove22]

well unless there's a duke basketball television network, i'd love to know where else their games are televised.
well just cause they are televised doesnt mean you watch them

[brainstew]

ha no way, who is a more capaple back ups boone and villenauva or horvath, i think the absece of williams and randolph hurts duke more then okafor because of depth
UConn's front court: 4- Boone, 5- Okafor. The main backup for them was Villanueva, with Hilton Armstrong being the 2nd backup. Duke's frontcourt was 4- Deng, 5- Williams. Main backup was Randolph, with Horvath as the 2nd backup. Take away Okafor from UConn and Williams and Randolph from Duke and you have 4- Villanueva, 5- Boone against 4- Deng, 5- Horvath. Thats about equal. So Okafor's absence definitely hurt UConn more.

[PhilaVa]

UConn's front court: 4- Boone, 5- Okafor. The main backup for them was Villanueva, with Hilton Armstrong being the 2nd backup. Duke's frontcourt was 4- Deng, 5- Williams. Main backup was Randolph, with Horvath as the 2nd backup. Take away Okafor from UConn and Williams and Randolph from Duke and you have 4- Villanueva, 5- Boone against 4- Deng, 5- Horvath. Thats about equal. So Okafor's absence definitely hurt UConn more.
So how do you explain how JJ can be karate chopped and no foul was called?

[asheylarry]

So how do you explain how JJ can be karate chopped and no foul was called?
because he's a bitch.

[BambinoBear]

So how do you explain how JJ can be karate chopped and no foul was called?
I cry foul watching jj go down on coach k.

[brainstew]

because he's a bitch.
A bitch who writes heartfelt poetry, and a bitch who gets a spot on sportscenter whining about opposing fans making fun of him.

[PhilaVa]

You guys are like twelve years old. What an utter waste of time on my part.

[brainstew]

I cry foul watching jj go down on coach k.
vitale goes down on JJ, JJ goes down on Coach K, Coach K goes down on the refs. Its a never-ending cycle.

[BambinoBear]

vitale goes down on JJ, JJ goes down on Coach K, Coach K goes down on the refs. Its a never-ending cycle.
I think i here the song Circle of Life playing in the background...

[JLove22]

You guys are like twelve years old. What an utter waste of time on my part.
yeah i hear that

[Boik14 is the shiz]

Just some humor: http://gorillamask.net/redickgay.jpg


seems Maryland fans are quite jealous which is understandable since they havent had a player of Redick caliber since Stevie Turnover

[asheylarry]

Just some humor: http://gorillamask.net/redickgay.jpg


seems Maryland fans are quite jealous which is understandable since they havent had a player of Redick caliber since Stevie Turnover
i'm trying to figure out why rediculous is spelled 'redickulous'. also, juan dixon was better than jj.

[Pitpen]

Just some humor: http://gorillamask.net/redickgay.jpg


seems Maryland fans are quite jealous which is understandable since they havent had a player of Redick caliber since Stevie Turnover
Some would argue that Maryland has had 5 players of the same caliber as Reddick since Francis.

I would be one of them.

[asheylarry]

to answer the question this thread's title asks, apparently this guy.

http://www.ncaa.org/news/2002/20021223/graphics/bowlsby.jpg

[JLove22]

to answer the question this thread's title asks, apparently this guy.

http://www.ncaa.org/news/2002/20021223/graphics/bowlsby.jpg
let it go man, duke deserved it

[asheylarry]

let it go man, duke deserved it
let what go?

[JLove22]

let what go?
your constent complaining that duke is overrated and gets favorable treatment in everything

[asheylarry]

your constent complaining that duke is overrated and gets favorable treatment in everything
that post said nothing other than answering the question asked by the individual who started this thread. you're paranoid.

[Roy Munson]

Is the fucking tournament over yet so I can finally have some peace at work without some douche talking Duke this and UNC that and NC State this other thing...and don't forget Wake...holy shit I want to scream.

[JLove22]

Is the fucking tournament over yet so I can finally have some peace at work without some douche talking Duke this and UNC that and NC State this other thing...and don't forget Wake...holy shit I want to scream.
hey its march madness, i love this time of year

[Roy Munson]

hey its march madness, i love this time of year
Stop the madness.

[asheylarry]

Stop the madness.
serenity now.