September 12, 2004 - Detroit Lions vs. Chicago Bears

[sully]

Here it is! The gamethread for Bears and Lions fans alike to discuss the season opener!

[sully]

With both boards connnected, let the gamethread begin!

[Slobfather]

Excellent Sully! Thanks pal!


Now, where the hell are Hoopster, and BeardownTexas???

If they are not a member of this forum, I will have to spend a little time on "the nameless board" after we pound the piss out of their beloved Bears.

[Slobfather]

beardown;

These Lions fans are just so stupid...they are actually funny. When was the last time a team made a significant improvement (in win/loss record wise) just because they drafted "two college playmakers."

Man...the look on their faces will be priceless when Jones/Williams FAILED to live up to expectations in the rookie seasons.
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I'm not sure what is funnier about this post (that i stole from the ESPN board). If its that this guy thinks two rookies CANT make a differance, or if its funnier that he thinks that is all the Lions did to improve this offseason was add 2 playmakers in the draft.
For starters, we did get the best lineman available in FA. One that was also coveted by the Bears.

second, we went out and got the best "cover corner" in FA to go with one of the best "playmaking" corners in the league last year.

third, we shored up an already impressive defensive backfield by signing a probowl safety.

This of course doesnt even take into account the other little additions that will make this team a WHOLE lot better, and deeper.

So, I suppose that if i had to answer the question of " When was the last time a team made a significant improvement (in win/loss record wise) just because they drafted "two college playmakers." I would answer probably never. however, that wouldnt describe the Lions because they did do a hell of alot more to improve than just add 2 playmakers through the draft.


DOHHHHHHH

[Slobfather]

This was a good thought Sully, and eventually will make this board that much better....


However, since there appears to be a total of 4 Bear fans in this forum, it prolly wont work quite yet.

Of course, you did manage to get 4 out of the 6 total Bear fans over here...so thats not too bad I guess.

[rotary]

While not professing to be a Bear fan, I do keep up with them. As I stated in a post in the Bear forum a couple of days ago, the key to the Bears winning is playing old time Bear football until Grossman gets up to speed.

Running Thomas Jones will, of course, be critical. If they can't, the Bear receivers are just a bunch of names. Terrell really doesn't scare anybody, yet.

If they Lions can put up an early . . . 10 or 13 points, IMO the Bear doesn't have the firepower to rebound from double digit deficits.

Really like the Lions getting 3 here.

[Cyric]

For all you gamblers, taking the line on this game is a no-brainer. Lions win outright, much less getting three.

As for the two rookie playmakers, well there's always the Cowboys from the late 80s, when they went from 1-15 to Super Bowl in a handful of years because of a succession of quality drafts. Irvin in 88, Aikman in 89, Smith in 90, etc.

Of course, that doesn't count because it's Dallas, right?

Jeez. What a maroon.

[dogmeatIB]

"second, we went out and got the best "cover corner" in FA to go with one of the best "playmaking" corners in the league last year."


Of course Vikings fans will argue that THEY got the best "cover corner" in FA to go with one of the best "playmaking" corners in the league last year. ;)


IMO the only real hope for the Bears is that the Lions "kids" make mistakes due to their youth and inexperience. Detroit's defense is pretty solid, has been for years, the Bears offense ... isn't. The Bear's defense has gone through a major shakeup, they're under a new head coach, etc. The Lions, if they can put it all together after such a short period of time, should have the talent to exploit one or two things that'll get them enough points to win.

[Slobfather]

"second, we went out and got the best "cover corner" in FA to go with one of the best "playmaking" corners in the league last year."


Of course Vikings fans will argue that THEY got the best "cover corner" in FA to go with one of the best "playmaking" corners in the league last year. ;)

Honestly, I cant see how it could be argued that winfield was the best cover corner available last year. The guy couldnt even hold down a starting corner spot last year with his own team(unless you count the nickle back as a starter).

Don't get me wrong, i think the Vikes did more than enough on defense to give them a legit shot at the division, I just don't think Winfield is as good as people make him out to be. Dont believe me? Just ask some Buffalo fans.

[dogmeatIB]

Honestly, I cant see how it could be argued that winfield was the best cover corner available last year. The guy couldnt even hold down a starting corner spot last year with his own team(unless you count the nickle back as a starter).

Don't get me wrong, i think the Vikes did more than enough on defense to give them a legit shot at the division, I just don't think Winfield is as good as people make him out to be. Dont believe me? Just ask some Buffalo fans.

<chuckle> I agree with you completely regarding Winfield. Got some friends who are Buffalo fans who're glad he's gone. I was being more sarcastic than anything else, hence the ;) .

I'm not at all sold on the Vikings defense. Not just the personnel, with which there are lots of questionmarks, but the system as a whole. They had a lot of success early on because of turnovers, freakishly high turnovers. Once that stopped they returned to their old way of losing.

[Ghostrider]

what no bear fans

[rotary]

LET THE SEASON BEGIN!!!!!!


WHOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[rotary]

STARTING WITH NO RUNNING BACKS IN THE BACKFIELD!!!!


George Halas must be turning over in his grave.

[rotary]

An interesting opening series for the Bears.

Looked like Lovie thought he still had Holt and Bruce to throw to. Like seeing them throw the ball, however if they want to win this game, I think establishing a running game is, or should be, the first priority.

[rotary]

Can not remember the last time a qb for the Bear hit a receiver in stride like Grossman did on the 27 yard gain to Terrell.


Bears TD. Jones a 2 yard run.

I can talk to myself with the best of them.

[Ryno]

Can not remember the last time a qb for the Bear hit a receiver in stride like Grossman did on the 27 yard gain to Terrell.


Bears TD. Jones a 2 yard run.

I can talk to myself with the best of them.
grossman looks pretty sharp.

[rotary]

Lions suffering two injuries and not even out of first quarter (Rogers & Bly).

These are the type of things that happen during a game that make Lions getting 3 all of a sudden not look so good . . .

[rotary]

Except the one he let his receiver get absolutely annhialated by Bly.


YIKES!!!!!

[Ryno]

urlacher makes one hell of an anchor huh?
when he latches on to a runner, the runner slows down quick.

[rotary]

Yes and no.

Looks very good sometimes. Some other times he just seems to disappear. Still wouldn't mind having him on the Pack, though.

[Ryno]

holy MOLY ! there was a LOT of air under that ball. it looked like he was cloud seeding.

[rotary]

That was one heck of a throw by Harrington to Roy Williams.

Might like to try that play again.

[rotary]

WOW!!!!


If they're not going to call defensive holding on the play going to commercial that Tillman was shown doing, they'll never call it!!!


Jeez, he basically folded, spindled and then mutilated that Lion receiver!!!

[Ryno]

That was one heck of a throw by Harrington to Roy Williams.

Might like to try that play again.
joey really shows flashes of maybe not greatness, but real goodness.

both these QB's have strong arms.

[Ryno]

WOW!!!!


If they're not going to call defensive holding on the play going to commercial that Tillman was shown doing, they'll never call it!!!


Jeez, he basically folded, spindled and then mutilated that Lion receiver!!!
do you think the refs were told to turn down the volume on the holding calls?

[rotary]

I would think that on that play, somebody should have thrown the flag. It was a wrestling match all the way. Jerseys getting pulled, grabbing at the facemask. Nothing ticky-tack about that. If its a legitimate call, make it.

[rotary]

Roy Williams is out of his mind. No way he should have caught that pass. But still what a catch!!!!

[Ryno]

Roy Williams is out of his mind. No way he should have caught that pass. But still what a catch!!!!
that's the kind of catch people remember for a long, long time.
wow

[Ryno]

where did the LIONS fans go to?

[rotary]

That wasn't that obvious, was it? Holding on a one yard run.

[DarkStar]

LOL, i think everyone is posting on the Rogers injury thread. Man, this stinks. Rogers hurt, Bly hurt. Roy Williams looks awesome, though.

[Ryno]

i found the lions fans. they're over on the lion board. i guess they didn't see the game thread.
oh well.


:rolleyes:

[Ryno]

LOL, i think everyone is posting on the Rogers injury thread. Man, this stinks. Rogers hurt, Bly hurt. Roy Williams looks awesome, though.
that REALLY sucks man. i'm sorry to see that.

[DarkStar]

Charles Rogers is starting to become the Ki-Jana Carter of wideouts.

[Ryno]

Charles Rogers is starting to become the Ki-Jana Carter of wideouts.
that's the same injury he had last year?

[DarkStar]

They are saying its the shoulder they are x-raying. He broke his collarbone last year. No updates yet

[Ryno]

They are saying its the shoulder they are x-raying. He broke his collarbone last year. No updates yet
bummer. good luck.

[Ryno]

holy crap, talk about a slow developing play ! you could have timed that runback with a calender.

LOL


:)

[DarkStar]

What a weird game...


Injuries galore and our best offensive player is Bracy Walker.

[Greshmahg]

Charles Rogers is starting to become the Ki-Jana Carter of wideouts.
I wouldn't go that far. There are two significant differences between them:

1) Rogers hasn't been around long enough to reach the heights of injury Ki-Jana got to and

2) Nobody saw the injuries coming with Carter. There was no way to really predict that happening. Rogers, on the other hand, SCREAMED injury. From his size, to the medical reports at the Combine that stated looseness in his joints...he had some red flags along the same lines as Snoop Minnis...difference is, Snoop wasn't media hyped, so he fell quite a ways.

[Slobfather]

It comes from the strangest places.....


BRACY WALKER??????

WOW!

[Ryno]

watch that momentum swing !

[DarkStar]

Still no definite word on Rogers, just that hes out for the rest of the game. Bly, on the other hand, has ligament damage in his knee. It was just on the radio.

[Ryno]

What a weird game...


Injuries galore and our best offensive player is Bracy Walker.
this is great. God i'd LOVE to see the lions beat the friggin' bears, man.

[Slobfather]

Still no definite word on Rogers, just that hes out for the rest of the game. Bly, on the other hand, has ligament damage in his knee. It was just on the radio.
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME?

Bly has to be the key to our defense this year.....

This sucks!!!

[Greshmahg]

Keep in mind that "ligament damage" is pretty broad. It could be a stretch, could be a strain, could be a pull...

Or it could be a rupture, a partial/full tear...obviously you hope for the former. They aren't going to know this quickly. It's just an easy diagnosis that when a guy can't put weight on a leg and nothing is broken, it's ligament damage.

[DarkStar]

I wish I was, Slob. It was on nfl.com radio.

[DarkStar]

Please, please, please, God, let it be a strain.

[DarkStar]

Wasn't our team supposed to be all offense and no defense? This is like the twilight zone.

[Ryno]

Please, please, please, God, let it be a strain.
don't miss a good game worrying. lions are getting hot.

[rotary]

I am back from taking "the Deuce" to the Mall. Nearly got side-swiped by a girl driving the Daddy's SUV & then was laughing about it when I yelled at her, "WTF!!!!!!"

Anyways, now that I have vented, nice to be hooked up with the Lions fans, as well.

Was just ryno & I there for awile.

[DarkStar]

Side note, Larry Fitzgerald just made an awesome fingertip catch on his tiptoes. Cards are putting up a fight in their game.

[Ryno]

I am back from taking "the Deuce" to the Mall. Nearly got side-swiped by a girl driving the Daddy's SUV & then was laughing about it when I yelled at her, "WTF!!!!!!"

Anyways, now that I have vented, nice to be hooked up with the Lions fans, as well.

Was just ryno & I there for awile.
then it was me and dark star while you were out playing bumper cars.
(i bet she'd have quit laughing in the case of a collision.)

[rotary]

Terrell is an idiot!!!!! Just play the damn game!!!! What a clusterf&ck!!!!!

[rotary]

I dunno, ryno. Considering the area I was going though (Brookfield), for all I know it was hers. Might not have the concept yet of earning what you have.

[Ryno]

I dunno, ryno. Considering the area I was going though (Brookfield), for all I know it was hers. Might not have the concept yet of earning what you have.
lemme guess. bluemound road?

Yikes!

:eek:

[DarkStar]

That was the THIRD pass that Az has flubbed up this game.

[Greshmahg]

From what I recall of that area (and granted, it's been years since I lived in Wisconsin--and my travels were usually limited to Sussex to the 'port, commuter flight to the north, commuter flight to the south, 'port to Sussex), that whole Brookfield area was one giant wreck waiting to happen--especially that road that led off the highway. Very poor road planning in that area.

[STLCARDSFAN1]

harrington needs to get himself a td pass.

[rotary]

Yeah, how'd ya guess? That road . . .


This game is getting a little chippy. Bear better settle down. There taking themselves out of this game.

VERY UNDISCIPLINED!!!!!!

[rotary]

Why not go for two there? If they miss it, the Lion is still up by 5 and still within a fg of taking the lead should the Bear score a td.

If they convert the two, they have a 7 point lead.


hMMMMM

[Ryno]

Why not go for two there? If they miss it, the Lion is still up by 5 and still within a fg of taking the lead should the Bear score a td.

If they convert the two, they have a 7 point lead.


hMMMMM
FWIW, i'd have gone for two too. i think that that is the conventional wisdom.

[Ryno]

FWIW, i'd have gone for two too. i think that that is the conventional wisdom.
are these bears the dumbest team ever? if i was a bear fan i'd be real upset with these personal fouls.

[rotary]

Goes back to being undisciplined, ryno. Terrell was doing the same sh!t last year.


Don't mind playing with passion and fire, but when you do flat out do dumb things like giving the ball to a Lion on the sideline after a big play . . . its inexcusable.

What is the point?

[rotary]

Going to be a lot of bitchin' in Detroit if the Bear scores a td to win by one. The second guessers are going to be asking about the two point conversion (or lack of one) after the Lion's last td.

IMO, Mariucci should know better. It was a win-win situation going for two. There was NO downside to going for two.

[rotary]

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF!!!

This is where sports investing can lead to an early grave.

[Ryno]

OMG, i thought walker was going to bring it out of the end zone.

Congrats Lions Fans ! that was a longgg time coming.

:)

[rotary]

Mariucci is damn lucky the Bear didn't win that game.

Dumbest decision making I've ever seen by a head coach in the last quarter of a football game!!!!



BUT ITS A "W" FOR YOURS TRULY!! :)

[Ghostrider]

Thank you GOD

[DarkStar]

Damn, NAIL BITER! That was as close as it gets.

Well, the streak is dead, but at what cost? Rogers and Bly out, Bryant and Shaun Rogers played hurt, it's only week one and the joint is looking like a MASH unit already.