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JLove22
01-17-2005, 10:19 PM
interesting article from the charlotte observer I got from another site, looks like we saw some flashbacks of mccants from a couple years ago, also has anyone else realized the amount of tic tac fouls called in the acc lately, btw this is in no way or form attacking unc just trying to insight conversation, i know how it could be taken that way from my own experiences

In UNC scorebook, it's Refs 95, Heels 82

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North Carolina can't expect 'courtesies' on road
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TOM SORENSEN
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WINSTON-SALEM - These weren't the truly marvelous and magnificent North Carolina Tar Heels of the past month who had run past, through and over every team that dared get in their way.
These were the Tar Heels of the past two seasons. They were fragile. And when life stopped being easy and the game grew hard and those nasty, nasty officials called them for fouls, they came undone.

Obviously, playing Wake Forest on the road has little in common with pounding Maryland and Georgia Tech at home. The Deacons are very good. They beat North Carolina 95-82 Saturday at Joel Coliseum. And while the Tar Heels didn't make it easy for the Deacons, they tried.

"I don't know if it's regressing to old habits or just playing poorly," says North Carolina coach Roy Williams.

Lose your poise?

"Kinda, sorta," North Carolina guard Rashad McCants says.

McCants led the Tar Heels with 19 points, but most were soft and inconsequential and came late. At one juncture, McCants had three fouls and two points, a line that sounds like a Cameron Indoor Stadium cheer.

For every basket McCants scored, five times he shook his head at an official. For every athletic move he made, he scowled 10 times. For every assist (one), rebound (one), and block (one), McCants 15 times gave a dirty look to opponents, teammates and the world.

McCants says the officials didn't give him any "courtesies."

Because he committed three first-half fouls, he was limited to 10 first-half minutes. Because he spent as much time on the bench as on the court, he says it was tough to "attack and be aggressive."

Had he played, "There's no telling where the game would have went," he says.

McCants is a junior. He should know by now that the phrase "Carolina refs" is not always factual. His good friend, Wake Forest guard Justin Gray, picked up two fouls before he did. Rather than panic, Gray went to the bench and cheered his teammates and urged the loud crowd to become louder.

McCants went to the bench after his third foul and stood next to Roy Williams. He stood for a long time so everybody could see how unfairly he had been treated. He gritted his teeth and said, "I am so mad right now."

You know the saying, don't get mad, get even? Here's a new one: Don't get even, get mad. McCants stayed mad. And he had company.

Point guard Raymond Felton, a mature sort who spent the afternoon futilely trying to keep up with Wake Forest's Chris Paul, also was consistently incredulous about the officiating. He spent as much time being incredulous as running the offense.

It's as if the Tar Heels were having a contest to see who could best imitate petulant (of late) N.C. State star Julius Hodge.

As much as the Tar Heels don't like it, they can't play all the good teams at home and all the average and bad teams on the road.

When they play a good team on the road, calls will go against them and some of the calls will be unjust. It's practically a rule.

JRoll
01-17-2005, 10:32 PM
Nothing wrong with this article man...don't worry.

Nittany Tar Heel
01-17-2005, 11:20 PM
"interesting" is one word for this article...."pile of shit" is another

For the record, I have no problem with it being posted here either.

But, also for the record, it would seem to be a little more controversial then posting that Reggie Love was injured, which I seem to remember was met with quite a bit of anger from certain people here.

FWIW, this is all over the Carolina websites and virtually everyone there is saying that this guy is a rabid ABCer and a participant on a relatively obnoxious NC State sports talk show down there. Yeah, it's Carolina people saying it, so as I said, take it however you like. I read a lot of Triangle area articles, but none that he writes since his paper requires a login, so I can't say anything on my own about his reputation. I guess you can put that on the record that I keep referring to as well. ; )

Nittany Tar Heel
01-17-2005, 11:35 PM
"These weren't the truly marvelous and magnificent North Carolina Tar Heels of the past month who had run past, through and over every team that dared get in their way.
These were the Tar Heels of the past two seasons. They were fragile. And when life stopped being easy and the game grew hard and those nasty, nasty officials called them for fouls, they came undone."

---Interesting. But considering Carolina looked quite a bit like the last two years in the first half, playing impatiently and taking quick, bad shots and much better in the second half, finally taking the ball to the basket with authority, his time line would appear to be a little off.

"I don't know if it's regressing to old habits or just playing poorly," says North Carolina coach Roy Williams.

For that damn record again, this quote was in reference to the first half, as Roy agreed that the team improved in half #2. It's fun to play with context. Irresponsible - but fun.

"For every basket McCants scored, five times he shook his head at an official. For every athletic move he made, he scowled 10 times. For every assist (one), rebound (one), and block (one), McCants 15 times gave a dirty look to opponents, teammates and the world."

If you believe that, you didn't watch the game and simply want to believe it badly enough. Dirty looks are anything but unusual from any team. Rashad might throw around a couple more then the average player, but to imply he did it 5 or 10x as much as scoring a basket or making an athletic move.....heck, I said imply, he just came out and accused him.......it's poppycock.

"Had he played, "There's no telling where the game would have went," he says."

This seems to be the only basis for claiming that the entire UNC team felt they were robbed by the refs, as read the headline. Pathetic. This is the same thing the Vikings were saying leading up to the playoff game...if we would have done this the first time, we would have had a chance. It's just rediculous.

"McCants is a junior. He should know by now that the phrase "Carolina refs" is not always factual. His good friend, Wake Forest guard Justin Gray, picked up two fouls before he did. Rather than panic, Gray went to the bench and cheered his teammates and urged the loud crowd to become louder."

As McCants did. The announcers and camera people even made the point to show him encouraging his teammates and cheering throughout his stay on the bench. This simply isn't factual. It's a lie.

"McCants went to the bench after his third foul and stood next to Roy Williams. He stood for a long time so everybody could see how unfairly he had been treated. He gritted his teeth and said, "I am so mad right now."

Editorializing much? How come he wasn't gritting his teeth thinking "I can't believe I'm not in the game right now?" or "I wish I could be helping my team"......even if you don't want to believe that, since he's standing there cheering on his team, it would seem to be wishful thinking to say he was thinking what the author said.

"Point guard Raymond Felton, a mature sort who spent the afternoon futilely trying to keep up with Wake Forest's Chris Paul, also was consistently incredulous about the officiating. He spent as much time being incredulous as running the offense."

I listened to every bit of audio I could find postgame. I never heard anything like this, nor did the author bother to quote anything he said. If someone can find a quote from him, fine. If not, it's absurd to regard this as truth and irresponsible journalism. That bothers me more as a guy with a Journalism degree then it does as a Carolina fan. You don't make accusations about something someone said without quoting them - in the proper context.

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I don't know...I'm biased, I'm sure.....but there are so many factual problems here that it's tough to take seriously. I know this is the kind of stuff people who hate Carolina love to lap up, but he sure made an awful lot out of percieved facial expressions and one fairly innocuous quote.

Resume feeding frenzy.

Nittany Tar Heel
01-17-2005, 11:43 PM
As much as the Duke Blue Room can get under my skin at times, this seems to be the type of article they often take the time to discredit themselves, showing some common decency and self-respect, even though it puts down their rival. I remember them taking up for Joe Forte a few years ago when there were some unsubstantiated rumors about his mom's employment and for Doherty, when some terrible things were written about him in print.

It would be nice to see that they did that again, though that's obviously not their responsibility in the slightest. I might check it out.

JLove22
01-18-2005, 11:36 AM
wow, nice counter, there is def alot of bias in the article, also someone got mad over something you posted about shav but i think that person admitted they were wrong,


also...http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/ddp.jpg

Nittany Tar Heel
01-18-2005, 12:13 PM
wow, nice counter, there is def alot of bias in the article, also someone got mad over something you posted about shav but i think that person admitted they were wrong,


also...http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/ddp.jpg
DDP made me laugh....is that a McCants reference?

JLove22
01-18-2005, 12:16 PM
ha cant you see the resemblence...


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Nittany Tar Heel
01-18-2005, 12:32 PM
You know that's actually a Jay-Z thing right?


Funny though...I've heard that before but seeing it makes me giggle.

JLove22
01-18-2005, 12:35 PM
You know that's actually a Jay-Z thing right?


Funny though...I've heard that before but seeing it makes me giggle.
yup but its much funnier to make this comparison

Nittany Tar Heel
01-18-2005, 12:47 PM
Next year he's going to do the People's Elbow a la The Rock

JLove22
01-18-2005, 12:59 PM
Next year he's going to do the People's Elbow a la The Rock
or the eyebrow thing that would be cool, btw will this be on the college or pro level?

Nittany Tar Heel
01-18-2005, 01:24 PM
or the eyebrow thing that would be cool, btw will this be on the college or pro level?
I suspect college - he's always said he's a 4-yr guy...he wants his jersey in the rafters.