Basically Jason Bay for Andy LaRoche

[Zero]

Adam and Andy on the same team. Very interesting.

[Helton72]

Dont forget Moss and Hansen...

[Zero]

Dont forget Moss and Hansen...

True, however the Pirates need players who can play now. If those guys can't yet, it's a one for one trade.

[O'Donal31]

True, however the Pirates need players who can play now. If those guys can't yet, it's a one for one trade.

Hansen and Moss have both been up the Majors this year and Hansen has been here for about 2 months...both can play in the MLB but both arent that good...Hansen needs to find consistancy

[Confidence Man]

True, however the Pirates need players who can play now. If those guys can't yet, it's a one for one trade.They competing for the division now, are they?

[dilbert719]

True, however the Pirates need players who can play now. If those guys can't yet, it's a one for one trade.

The Pirates need players who can play at all.

[Zero]

They competing for the division now, are they?

The Pirates have been trading away good players for prospects for a long time. With a few exceptions, they don't trade well and they don't draft well. The prospects they got in return need to be ready to contribute soon if this is to be anything more than the one for one deal I said it was.

[dabulls85]

The Pirates have been trading away good players for prospects for a long time. With a few exceptions, they don't trade well and they don't draft well. The prospects they got in return need to be ready to contribute soon if this is to be anything more than the one for one deal I said it was.

This is a great deal for the Pirates although it's kindof suprising the Dodgers didn't give up at least one of thier surplus of major league OF's. They have a new GM so maybe that will change their luck in the trade department although his first deal for Nady wasn't exactly all that great. Their draft philosophy finally changed as well since this was the 1st year in at least the last 4 where they didn't pick a LH starting in the first round.

[Zero]

No seller made two bigger trades in the past week than the Pirates. Up the Monongahela went Nady, Marte and Bay. Down the river came eight young players of varying age, experience and reputation.

We found people in baseball who love the upside of 21-year-old right-hander Bryan Morris, the one-time No. 1 pick the Pirates got from the Dodgers in the Bay trade. We found others who love the stuff of Ross Ohlendorf (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7971) and the makeup of Daniel McCutchen (both of whom arrived in the Marte/Nady deal). And the three older players they got in the Bay trade (Andy LaRoche (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7928), Craig Hansen (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7683) and Brandon Moss (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=8082)) are all big-league-ready.

But the word we heard used most to describe the Pirates' return in these two trades was "quantity." Which isn't always a compliment.

"Did the Pirates get one young impact player back in any deal?" wondered an executive of one team. "My answer is no. Did they get an Evan Longoria (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7914)-type they could drop in the middle of their order? Did they get a No. 1 starter? I don't see that. To me, they went for numbers. … Yeah, they built depth in their system. But they just traded Jason Bay, Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte. That's three awfully big chips. And I'm looking for that one slam-dunk guy -- a guy who can make an impact on a lineup or on a pitching staff. And I just can't find one."

But one thing we'll say for the Pirates is that at least it wasn't for lack of trying. It seemed as if they asked for every young impact player in the minor leagues at one point or another. So, it's amazing they didn't get even one guy like that back. But we'll give them this:

At least this year went a heck of a lot better than last year's Deadline Day (when they swooped in to trade for the disaster that was Matt Morris (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5784), who will be collecting the last two months of the $13 million the Pirates owed him on a beach someplace).


Exactly!

[The Straw]

This is a great deal for the Pirates although it's kindof suprising the Dodgers didn't give up at least one of thier surplus of major league OF's. Word has it we tried to send Andruw Jones packing, but the Pirates were worried he'd eat to much and bust their budget.