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Jay1127
12-07-2004, 07:41 AM
from TSN.Ca

Big guns ready for Thursday meeting

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Canadian Press
12/6/2004

TORONTO (CP) - The NHL and NHL Players' Association will have their full arsenal on hand for this week's labour talks.

Collective bargaining resumes for the first time since Sept. 9 when the two sides meet Thursday and possibly Friday at the NHL's Toronto offices.

NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow will be joined by senior director Ted Saskin, associate counsel Ian Pulver, outside counsel John McCambridge and the executive committee of active NHL players: president Trevor Linden, and vice-presidents Bob Boughner, Vincent Damphousse, Daniel Alfredsson, Bill Guerin, Trent Klatt and Arturs Irbe.

On the league side, commissioner Gary Bettman and executive vice-president Bill Daly will be joined by senior vice-president and general counsel David Zimmerman, outside counsel Bob Batterman as well as owners from their executive committee: Calgary Flames part-owner Harley Hotchkiss (chairman of the board), Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs (chairman of the finance committee), Nashville Predators owner Craig Leopold, Carolina Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos and New Jersey Devils CEO and GM Lou Lamoriello.

It's the same group of people on both sides from the Sept. 9 meeting, missing only Minnesota Wild chairman Bob Naegele.

The union invited the league back to the negotiating table last Thursday with the lure of a new proposal, a work in progress that probably won't be done until Wednesday.

The offer is believed to contain serious concessions from the players, but still won't have the "cost certainty" the league is looking for. Bettman wants any new system to have a fixed link between players costs and league revenues, which the union labels a salary cap and says it will never accept.

Instead, the union is expected to offer up another payroll tax, this time with more teeth, as well as revenue sharing, changes to the entry-level system, changes to the qualifying offer process, and other unnamed givebacks.

Whether or not it's enough to keep talks going is the big question. Daly said last week the league may or may not offer a counter-proposal, depending on the union offer

When the two sides sit down Thursday morning, 372 NHL games will have already gone by the wayside.

Jay1127
12-07-2004, 07:42 AM
Anybody else think this is going to be just another wasted meeting?

Jay1127
12-07-2004, 08:42 AM
In related news..
from TSN.ca
Doan: NHLPA proposal 'significant'

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Canadian Press



12/4/2004

When the NHL meets with the NHLPA in New York on Thursday they may see a much different proposal then the one they last saw on September 9.




At a charity event in Aspen, Colorado, Phoenix Coyotes player representative Shane Doan told TSN the players have made tangible concessions in what is widely believed to be their last proposal.




"There is a significant move in a lot of areas, not just the luxury tax, but the salaries of players" Doan told TSN. "It's a great offer. You'll probably find a lot of players who think we're giving too much now."




The union offer is expected to feature major concessions, but the key will be the payroll tax. The union's offer Sept. 9 had a tax that charged 20 cents on the dollar for payrolls over $40 million US, which the league labeled as ''window dressing.'' Money generated by the tax would then be shared among the teams.


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"This proposal answers all their questions, does everything they say they wanted," Doan added. "They wanted a drag on salaries, they wanted the average salary to come down - it's all there. The only things not in there are giving up guaranteed contracts and the salary cap. Those are the only things we haven't given them."




The new proposal is believed to include a tax of 75 cents on the dollar on payrolls of $40 million.

Jay1127
12-07-2004, 09:40 AM
Hopefully the players gave in enough to get some damn hockey played.