I don't wanna say this but...

[don1481]

The Bucks should consider trading Michael Redd.

The guy is a VERY deadly shooter, don't get me wrong, but he does NOT have what we need in our starting SG. He can't create his own shot - something that was apparent both last year AND this year. He doesn't drive nearly enough. And we thought RAY ALLEN was bad at that - at least Allen'll take it to the hoop every once in awhile.

I would much rather start DMason instead. The guy may not have as much of a 3 point game as Redd (who does, outside of Allen?) but he has no problems taking the ball to the hoop with regularity. Plus he's learning to hit that nice jumper of his, too. AND he'll hit those FTs he gets.

Redd's still somewhat cheap for this year - package him and, say, Van Horn to someone for, say, a 20-10 PF type?

*cough* Jermaine O'Neal?

[MadNova]

Actually, I hear they have some interest in Nene.


Maybe Nene and Skita?

[don1481]

Actually, I hear they have some interest in Nene.


Maybe Nene and Skita?
Nene would be nice.

I think he's got a shitload of potential down low in the post.

[Red]

Actually, I hear they have some interest in Nene.


Maybe Nene and Skita?
Skita is a cool name for a dog.

[Whiskey]

I watched the last 4 minutes of last nights game, and that's all I've caught of the Bucks so far this year.

Redd has nice numbers and all, but I've never thought he was as DYNAMIC a player as Allen was.

[Marques8_Frog_Splash]

I have to disagree. First off it should be known that Redd was a slasher out of college and he had to work like hell to get a good jumper. So its not like he cant do it, if anything, he may settle for the jumper, but I dont really think that is the case. http://nbadraft.net/profiles/michaelredd.htm


No chance of getting Jermaine O'Neal. Teams that have established PF and C's will not deal them. The Bucks will have to look at guys like Eddy Curry, Nene, and Skita who havent lived up to potential or are caught in a numbers game.

I think the only way the Bucks can trade Redd is if they have a good indication that he will walk at the end of the year. The Bucks CANNOT afford to lose Redd and get nothing in return. People are still mad over the Ray-Ray trade, and if they lose another AS player the city fell in love with, it will be a PR mess. Also it would hurt the team drastically.

So should the Bucks consider trading Redd? Only if they feel they cant sign him at the end of the year. Otherwise based totally on performance Redd is definitely a top SG in the league.

Why is everybody so trigger happy to trade KVH? Granted his contract sucks, but the guy is producing and is also one of the rare outside threats for the Bucks. Which brings up another thing, if the Bucks deal Redd and insert Dez (who is awesome), the Bucks will easily be one of the worst outside shooting teams in the league.

[LetsGoBrewCrew]

I have to disagree. First off it should be known that Redd was a slasher out of college and he had to work like hell to get a good jumper. So its not like he cant do it, if anything, he may settle for the jumper, but I dont really think that is the case. http://nbadraft.net/profiles/michaelredd.htm


No chance of getting Jermaine O'Neal. Teams that have established PF and C's will not deal them. The Bucks will have to look at guys like Eddy Curry, Nene, and Skita who havent lived up to potential or are caught in a numbers game.

I think the only way the Bucks can trade Redd is if they have a good indication that he will walk at the end of the year. The Bucks CANNOT afford to lose Redd and get nothing in return. People are still mad over the Ray-Ray trade, and if they lose another AS player the city fell in love with, it will be a PR mess. Also it would hurt the team drastically.

So should the Bucks consider trading Redd? Only if they feel they cant sign him at the end of the year. Otherwise based totally on performance Redd is definitely a top SG in the league.

Why is everybody so trigger happy to trade KVH? Granted his contract sucks, but the guy is producing and is also one of the rare outside threats for the Bucks. Which brings up another thing, if the Bucks deal Redd and insert Dez (who is awesome), the Bucks will easily be one of the worst outside shooting teams in the league.
Eddy Curry? Are you serious? Pachulia is better then him with less expirence. Chi would run away laughing if they got Redd for Eddy.

[WSR]

I have to disagree. First off it should be known that Redd was a slasher out of college and he had to work like hell to get a good jumper. So its not like he cant do it, if anything, he may settle for the jumper, but I dont really think that is the case. http://nbadraft.net/profiles/michaelredd.htm


No chance of getting Jermaine O'Neal. Teams that have established PF and C's will not deal them. The Bucks will have to look at guys like Eddy Curry, Nene, and Skita who havent lived up to potential or are caught in a numbers game.

I think the only way the Bucks can trade Redd is if they have a good indication that he will walk at the end of the year. The Bucks CANNOT afford to lose Redd and get nothing in return. People are still mad over the Ray-Ray trade, and if they lose another AS player the city fell in love with, it will be a PR mess. Also it would hurt the team drastically.

So should the Bucks consider trading Redd? Only if they feel they cant sign him at the end of the year. Otherwise based totally on performance Redd is definitely a top SG in the league.

Why is everybody so trigger happy to trade KVH? Granted his contract sucks, but the guy is producing and is also one of the rare outside threats for the Bucks. Which brings up another thing, if the Bucks deal Redd and insert Dez (who is awesome), the Bucks will easily be one of the worst outside shooting teams in the league.

Yeah I agree there. I wouldn't trade him unless they know he won't come back. I heard on the radio that they said Michael is the most underpaid player in the NBA. I would like to lock him and Dez up. It might be hard, but it could happen.

[don1481]

I have to disagree. First off it should be known that Redd was a slasher out of college and he had to work like hell to get a good jumper. So its not like he cant do it, if anything, he may settle for the jumper, but I dont really think that is the case. http://nbadraft.net/profiles/michaelredd.htm


No chance of getting Jermaine O'Neal. Teams that have established PF and C's will not deal them. The Bucks will have to look at guys like Eddy Curry, Nene, and Skita who havent lived up to potential or are caught in a numbers game.

I think the only way the Bucks can trade Redd is if they have a good indication that he will walk at the end of the year. The Bucks CANNOT afford to lose Redd and get nothing in return. People are still mad over the Ray-Ray trade, and if they lose another AS player the city fell in love with, it will be a PR mess. Also it would hurt the team drastically.

So should the Bucks consider trading Redd? Only if they feel they cant sign him at the end of the year. Otherwise based totally on performance Redd is definitely a top SG in the league.

Why is everybody so trigger happy to trade KVH? Granted his contract sucks, but the guy is producing and is also one of the rare outside threats for the Bucks. Which brings up another thing, if the Bucks deal Redd and insert Dez (who is awesome), the Bucks will easily be one of the worst outside shooting teams in the league.
I know redd's rep was as a slasher... BUT - he sure as hell doesn't do that anymore.

And I'm sick of seeing this team set up shop around the perimeter. When we're cold (i.e. last night) bad bad things happen.

Imagine what woulda happened if we were playing a DECENT team...

Isn't Mason locked up for a couple more years though?

[JRoll]

You guys can have G-Rob if you want :D

[vjanicki74]

I know redd's rep was as a slasher... BUT - he sure as hell doesn't do that anymore.

And I'm sick of seeing this team set up shop around the perimeter. When we're cold (i.e. last night) bad bad things happen.

Imagine what woulda happened if we were playing a DECENT team...

Isn't Mason locked up for a couple more years though?
Mason was signed to a three year contract extension through the 06-07 season.
And for the same reason as the comment regarding trading Ray Allen, I don't think we should trade away Redd. He seems to like playing here and fits in well in our team. If we lose Redd, hopefully it will be because he decided to go to another team for his benefit (money - which he does deserve more of). And give him time to adjust to the defenses he will see. Once he does that, he should be able to create his own shots & drive to the basket (as is nicely done by Desmond Mason creating the free throws).

[rotary]

I can't go with dealing Redd. He may not be a shot creator but he is our best outside shooter (maybe KVH, at times). Lose him and NOBODY really respects anybody's outside shot on the Bucks.
Kohl has rewarded solid players w/ top dollar contracts, and Redd (like Allen) is not only an All-Star, but seems to be a genuinely good person.

[don1481]

Hang on here. Redd had ALL OF LAST SEASON to adjust to defenses.

Yet by the end of the season, he STILL couldn't create his own shot.

Lose him and NOBODY really respects anybody's outside shot on the Bucks.

That's the thing, though - Defenses EXPECT us to sit around and throw up the jumpers like we did against Charlotte, against Cleveland, and against Orlando. It's been our MO for years now. We have ZERO offense inside, unless you cound DMason driving to the hoop.

That's why we need SOMETHING down low. And honestly, I'm not opposed at all to trading Redd to get it. Defenses will just sit on the perimeter because our inside game sucks big fat donkey dick. Watching Gadzuric bobble pass after pass IN THE PAINT where he could get easy baskets is ridiculous. Joe Smith is a whopping 225 pounds. Put him inside and he's gonna get slaughtered.

The thing is - it's a helluva lot easier to find jump shooters than it is big guys who can create offense inside. Just ask Marquette about that. IF we can get a big with LOTS of offensive potential *cough* Nene *cough* I'd pull that straight-up trade in a heartbeat.

As good of a guy as Redd is, he's not what the team should be heading into the near future.

[jerms24]

Hang on here. Redd had ALL OF LAST SEASON to adjust to defenses.

Yet by the end of the season, he STILL couldn't create his own shot.



That's the thing, though - Defenses EXPECT us to sit around and throw up the jumpers like we did against Charlotte, against Cleveland, and against Orlando. It's been our MO for years now. We have ZERO offense inside, unless you cound DMason driving to the hoop.

That's why we need SOMETHING down low. And honestly, I'm not opposed at all to trading Redd to get it. Defenses will just sit on the perimeter because our inside game sucks big fat donkey dick. Watching Gadzuric bobble pass after pass IN THE PAINT where he could get easy baskets is ridiculous. Joe Smith is a whopping 225 pounds. Put him inside and he's gonna get slaughtered.

The thing is - it's a helluva lot easier to find jump shooters than it is big guys who can create offense inside. Just ask Marquette about that. IF we can get a big with LOTS of offensive potential *cough* Nene *cough* I'd pull that straight-up trade in a heartbeat.

As good of a guy as Redd is, he's not what the team should be heading into the near future.
I agree with Don about trading a SG (a dime a dozen) for a big guy with potential. But, unless Redd is going to walk you cannot trade an all-star (SG) for a PF (with potential). That just does not make sense. Hell if you want to do that, the Pistons will take Redd and you can have Darko straight up the salaries work. A big PF/C who has alot of "potential".

[STLCARDSFAN1]

michael redd looks very good to me. if you want to trade him be sure to send him to my heat.

[lemejm24]

oh my god the heat would be stacked in their backcourt with redd and wade(when he gets back).

[STLCARDSFAN1]

yeah can you imagine wade and redd in the backcourt and then eddie jones/haslem/shaq. i would love to see that lineup.

[don1481]

I agree with Don about trading a SG (a dime a dozen) for a big guy with potential. But, unless Redd is going to walk you cannot trade an all-star (SG) for a PF (with potential). That just does not make sense. Hell if you want to do that, the Pistons will take Redd and you can have Darko straight up the salaries work. A big PF/C who has alot of "potential".
Based on what Harris said during the season ticket holders' roundtable before the season, it sounds like Redd could very well walk. He seemed just a little, shall we say, "less than optimistic" that Redd would re-sign.

That add more light as to why I want to trade him?

[rotary]

Based on what Harris said during the season ticket holders' roundtable before the season, it sounds like Redd could very well walk. He seemed just a little, shall we say, "less than optimistic" that Redd would re-sign.

That add more light as to why I want to trade him?
Okay, when has a GM, when asked about a player's contract, etc. ever said exactly what he means?

That's like when the GM gives the head coach a "vote of confidence". When you hear that, the coach better start checking the want-ads.

It is my belief that Redd will stay in Milwaukee.

[don1481]

Okay, when has a GM, when asked about a player's contract, etc. ever said exactly what he means?

That's like when the GM gives the head coach a "vote of confidence". When you hear that, the coach better start checking the want-ads.

It is my belief that Redd will stay in Milwaukee.
Harris said that Redd is a "sensitive" guy who'll make his decision based on how supportive the fans are. But rather than making it sound like a positive thing, the way he said it reeked of resignation.

It just seemed to me like something wasn't "right."

[LetsGoBrewCrew]

Redds a religious guy so i can kinda see that to apoint. But if we suck but totally supporitive hes still gonna run.